Bachelor of Science in Nursing = Conflict of Interest?

Lesh · 01-28-2016, 03:07 PM

A little background- I hold a bachelor's in nursing, and I am enlisting with the intention of going special warfare.

Should that not pan out, my contingency is HM (FMF, SARC, SOCM, what have you, I would like to serve at the front).

**I do fully understand that RN =/= HM and its corresponding implications**

But in talking with my recruiter yesterday, he told me that HM would not be available to me due to a conflict of interest (his words) and didn't really/was unable to elaborate any further. Is there any truth to this?

Just figured I'd verify this before accepting it as fact.

Thanks all.

sweetmtn · 01-28-2016, 06:06 PM

So you have your RN? Just understand that an HM is basically just a CNA... If you are already an RN, you "could" possibly go officer...

jzhaun · 01-28-2016, 09:10 PM

I'm not sure if this is what your recruiter mean, but there's no such thing as a "contingency" rating. If you earn a spec ops contract, you're spec ops. If you later wash out of training, the Navy will find you a new rating based on what's available at that time and no sooner.

There are "placeholder" ratings i.e. sign for this until you qualify for x, but once you qualify you lose the placeholder rating and it goes to someone else. You never have more than one at a time.

Lesh · 01-28-2016, 10:07 PM

Swtmtn, yes I understand most HM NECs have CNA-natured jobs. But I'd be trying for a combat medic NEC (8403, 8404, 8427 for example).

Jzhaun, for sure, I'm aware of how DEP + warrior contracts work. I say contingency from the perspective of my dropping mid-pipeline. HM would be my first choice (of course it depends on the needs of the Navy).

jzhaun · 01-29-2016, 09:37 AM

I wouldn't get my hopes up on being able to pick up HM that way. I've seen a lot of A school drops and I actually work with a BUDS drop right now (he's a CTN), but I've never heard of HM being open to them. It's too popular of a rating, DEPpers take all the slots. I only ever hear of people crossrating out because promotion's so bad.

Ratings I have seen offered to drops: CTN, CTT, CTR, LS, OS, IT, MA, Seabee, Aviation, Undes, AETC etc, but it'll depend on quotas when it happens.

Just4Kixs · 01-31-2016, 12:29 PM

I enlisted with a BSN. I also know 2 other guys who enlisted with BSNs but they're reservists.

I think your recruiter was probably steering you in an odd direction but regardless, you can still go for HM if you'd like. I was offered that when my recruiter's chief found out that I had a BSN. I didn't want to go in as an HM though. I also think it's whatever is available at the time offered and/or time of re-rate for drop-outs. I've met Nuke drop-outs and sub school drop-outs who got re-rated into many different jobs and most of them had to take whatever was available at the time. But as far as conflict of interest, I think it all depends on timing and what's open at the time. HM is generally manned or overmanned.

Good luck with your endeavors!

notjustaUSNwife · 02-13-2016, 02:09 PM

My husband worked for a Nurse Officer who was pulled out of Corps School and sent to OIS because he had a BSN. The issue is that as junior enlisted you'd be working with people who have the same credentials but greatly outrank you. In theory that can cause a degradation of respect and what not.

Just4Kixs · 02-14-2016, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by notjustaUSNwife

My husband worked for a Nurse Officer who was pulled out of Corps School and sent to OIS because he had a BSN. The issue is that as junior enlisted you'd be working with people who have the same credentials but greatly outrank you. In theory that can cause a degradation of respect and what not.

What's OIS? I'm curious if they'll do something to me like that because I hold a BSN on active duty.

gopacgo12 · 02-14-2016, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Just4Kixs

What's OIS? I'm curious if they'll do something to me like that because I hold a BSN on active duty.

I think it stands for officer indoctrination school

Just4Kixs · 02-14-2016, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by gopacgo12

I think it stands for officer indoctrination school

I've always known it as OCS... or for other professionals, ODS.

LT Guppy · 02-14-2016, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Just4Kixs

I've always known it as OCS... or for other professionals, ODS.

Pretty sure OIS went away when the commissioning programs moved to Rhode Island.
It's basically the same as ODS.

notjustaUSNwife · 02-20-2016, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Guppy

Pretty sure OIS went away when the commissioning programs moved to Rhode Island.
It's basically the same as ODS.

It is OdS now but it was still OIS when he went through it.

01-28-2016, 03:07 PM	#1
Lesh Newbie Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	Bachelor of Science in Nursing = Conflict of Interest? A little background- I hold a bachelor's in nursing, and I am enlisting with the intention of going special warfare. Should that not pan out, my contingency is HM (FMF, SARC, SOCM, what have you, I would like to serve at the front). I do fully understand that RN =/= HM and its corresponding implications But in talking with my recruiter yesterday, he told me that HM would not be available to me due to a conflict of interest (his words) and didn't really/was unable to elaborate any further. Is there any truth to this? Just figured I'd verify this before accepting it as fact. Thanks all.

01-28-2016, 06:06 PM	#2
sweetmtn Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: N. CA Posts: 3,792 Rep Power: 0	So you have your RN? Just understand that an HM is basically just a CNA... If you are already an RN, you "could" possibly go officer...

01-28-2016, 09:10 PM	#3
jzhaun Active Duty Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 627 Rep Power: 0	I'm not sure if this is what your recruiter mean, but there's no such thing as a "contingency" rating. If you earn a spec ops contract, you're spec ops. If you later wash out of training, the Navy will find you a new rating based on what's available at that time and no sooner. There are "placeholder" ratings i.e. sign for this until you qualify for x, but once you qualify you lose the placeholder rating and it goes to someone else. You never have more than one at a time.

01-28-2016, 10:07 PM	#4
Lesh Newbie Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	Swtmtn, yes I understand most HM NECs have CNA-natured jobs. But I'd be trying for a combat medic NEC (8403, 8404, 8427 for example). Jzhaun, for sure, I'm aware of how DEP + warrior contracts work. I say contingency from the perspective of my dropping mid-pipeline. HM would be my first choice (of course it depends on the needs of the Navy).

01-29-2016, 09:37 AM	#5
jzhaun Active Duty Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 627 Rep Power: 0	I wouldn't get my hopes up on being able to pick up HM that way. I've seen a lot of A school drops and I actually work with a BUDS drop right now (he's a CTN), but I've never heard of HM being open to them. It's too popular of a rating, DEPpers take all the slots. I only ever hear of people crossrating out because promotion's so bad. Ratings I have seen offered to drops: CTN, CTT, CTR, LS, OS, IT, MA, Seabee, Aviation, Undes, AETC etc, but it'll depend on quotas when it happens.

01-31-2016, 12:29 PM	#6
Just4Kixs Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Here and there Posts: 154 Rep Power: 0	I enlisted with a BSN. I also know 2 other guys who enlisted with BSNs but they're reservists. I think your recruiter was probably steering you in an odd direction but regardless, you can still go for HM if you'd like. I was offered that when my recruiter's chief found out that I had a BSN. I didn't want to go in as an HM though. I also think it's whatever is available at the time offered and/or time of re-rate for drop-outs. I've met Nuke drop-outs and sub school drop-outs who got re-rated into many different jobs and most of them had to take whatever was available at the time. But as far as conflict of interest, I think it all depends on timing and what's open at the time. HM is generally manned or overmanned. Good luck with your endeavors!

02-13-2016, 02:09 PM	#7
notjustaUSNwife Member Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 83 Rep Power: 0	My husband worked for a Nurse Officer who was pulled out of Corps School and sent to OIS because he had a BSN. The issue is that as junior enlisted you'd be working with people who have the same credentials but greatly outrank you. In theory that can cause a degradation of respect and what not.