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Old 11-16-2013, 10:02 AM   #1
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Good insight into life as an undes sailor.

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I used this forum before I went to bootcamp..
I joined undes and still am a deck seaman.
I went to a frigate. Got sent cranking (working in the galley) right away.
I was miserable until I learned that on my ship there were GMs YNs CTs and not to mention our CMC also came in UNDES.
You will see a lot of people trying to answer undes questions but the best source is an undes seaman...

yes you chip and paint, its not so bad, the worst part is that some people get undes because they are, to put it nicely, less intelligent than most lol which is also where deck seaman get the bad rap for being dumb.

You aren't going to be a BM unless you want to be. Period. If you give up and just go BM that's your problem. But honestly BMs don't do a whole lot other than supervise undes...no offense to anyone.

You have to stay at your current command for a year to strike. Striking is like this, your navy career counselor will become your best friend..get on their good side because they can help you more than anyone. They provide you with all the info you need about rates and you go through them for study material or whatever, if nothing else they give you a good direction towards what rate you want...then after a year at your command you go talk to them about what rates you are interested in and that gets the ball rolling...

the other option is 3rd class exam which is applicable for rates not requiring an A school and doesn't require you to be at your command a year (just while E3 and eligible to take exam), which you can also apply for after a year at your command.

You can cross into undes airman or fireman if those rates interests you more than seaman rates, but its pretty much treated like striking so you wait a year before you can do that.

And beware, BMs treat undes that want to strike something other than BM with less respect...for whatever reason...so just expect it..It's not as bad as people say and most people i've spoken to wish they were undes so they could see what their rate was like beforehand lol, keep positive and only get your info from reliable sources, not the grape vine. Good luck.

(btw study material for most rates are available on share drives at most commands, or just google it.)
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Old 11-16-2013, 03:57 PM   #2
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Good insight into life as an undes sailor.
Thanks. I am undes airman and I'm hoping this is a decent way to get some experience before going into a rate. I leave in 3 days for meps and will be at rtc on the 20th.
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Old 02-16-2014, 04:27 AM   #3
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Throwing my 2 cents in as I am an undes airman. When I got to my command you will get put into a division, probably something you don't want but hang out and see how they work. If your an e3 get a hold of the command career councilor and see what jobs are avaliable to see what you can really strike for. Like me as an example: I got to the BHR (in Japan) in January this year and was put into v4 division (ABF) and that isn't even close to what I wanted. I'm eligible to take the advance test in March but need a rate before I can take it. After talking to the CCC I only had 4 choices of jobs, none in the division I wanted. I could wait and pass up the chance to advance till my job I want becomes avaliable or take a chance with what I Got and possibly get 3rd class this March(going ABF) . It's all really a gamble going PACT. Yes you can "shop" around for the job you want but if it's not avaliable when striking and to take the advancement test you will be stuck as an e3 for another 6 months.
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Old 03-24-2014, 07:55 PM   #4
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Throwing my 2 cents in as I am an undes airman. When I got to my command you will get put into a division, probably something you don't want but hang out and see how they work. If your an e3 get a hold of the command career councilor and see what jobs are avaliable to see what you can really strike for. Like me as an example: I got to the BHR (in Japan) in January this year and was put into v4 division (ABF) and that isn't even close to what I wanted. I'm eligible to take the advance test in March but need a rate before I can take it. After talking to the CCC I only had 4 choices of jobs, none in the division I wanted. I could wait and pass up the chance to advance till my job I want becomes avaliable or take a chance with what I Got and possibly get 3rd class this March(going ABF) . It's all really a gamble going PACT. Yes you can "shop" around for the job you want but if it's not avaliable when striking and to take the advancement test you will be stuck as an e3 for another 6 months.
Does the "time in rate" (one full year?) thing apply if you're E3 already, or is it really 6 months before it's possible to go to E4?
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Old 03-28-2014, 07:30 AM   #5
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is it just me or does this sound alot like some kind of business type ladder climbing?
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Old 05-08-2014, 10:04 PM   #6
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I usually hear ruckus or complaints or negative feedbacks from some when I say that I'm entering the Navy (which is in 1 week time) as UNDESIGNATED PACT Airman. I don't mind at all. I don't worry about it at all!

Why? Because I didn't want to be in a job that I didn't want in the first place. I wanted an office job like PS, LS, YN, and the like. But MEPS gave me ABE! It is soooooooo far from what I wanted. And since I plan to make this as a career, I want to do something that I'm decided to do.

In addition, my recruiter told me that he also started as PACT Seaman. But hey, NOW HE'S A CHIEF PETTY OFFICER after several years.

Therefore, I just want to say that every beginning is the hardest and most challenging. And if you want your way on top, IT WILL START IN ONE SMALL STEPS. SO WORK HARD FOR IT !
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