Anyone out there?

Navyrhino88 · 06-19-2014, 10:01 PM

Thank you! I'm hoping for the best November isn't too bad of a wait. As far as AT or AE I honestly don't mind either. How's your experience as an AE? Does one have more fluid advancement over the other? Also I spoke with an AEC recently and he briefly told me about USMAPS--do you have any info about that for a future sailor? I know I kind of bombarded you...I appreciate your answers Petty Officer.

Temen · 06-19-2014, 11:18 PM

I really enjoy being an AE. At least on F-18s we literally touch every part of the jet. I know the hydraulic system, the engine system, even a bit about the oxygen system. Obviously, I mostly deal with the wiring and lighting, but our wires go to everything so I have to be able to understand the whole aircraft. And even though ATs mostly deal with the computers (for communication, radar, weapons, etc), AEs are responsible for the computers running the flight controls. Also, as an AE its highly looked upon if we get Turn Qualed, meaning you are qualified to turn on the jet's engines and ensure everything is running smoothly so that the pilot can safely fly it. I really think it's the best rate if you want to know the whole aircraft and enjoy troubleshooting.
As far as advancement goes. Both rates are doing decent, though the advancement rate has been declining. Of course it is hard to predict the future and I believe ATs actually have a better advancement rate at the moment.
USMAPs is great for any rating really. You just have to log your work hours and once you meet the requirements, you are given a certificate that you can use for civilian employment. I believe it's run by the department of labor.

Don't feel bad for asking a lot of questions, that's what I (and everyone else) is here for. To help you out and give you more knowledge than we had coming in.

Navyrhino88 · 06-20-2014, 07:11 PM

Thank you for the info. Ill def keep in touch with any questions. Its seems hard to find AVs with recent experience.

Temen · 06-20-2014, 08:24 PM

Glad I could help. I'll do my best to help in the future too, though my time on this site is rather sporadic.
I have noticed there doesn't seem to be many AVs, which is too bad because I'd love to give any hopeful AVs some insight on the rating they may end up with. You can't expect a recruiter to know every rating by heart, nor can you always trust the descriptions that the Navy provides.

daaaniiieee · 06-22-2014, 12:49 PM

I'm a future AV and I ship on July 22nd. How long was your A school? And what were your duty station choices?

Temen · 06-23-2014, 08:21 PM

I'll just copy an paste my last explanation since I can't remember the exact lengths of school.

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I can't remember exactly how long each class was. I'll tell you I was in Pensacola from Sept 2011 all the way to Feb 2012. My time there included barracks support (cleaning the barracks), Indoctrination (2-3 days), barracks Yeoman (volunteer), Aircraft Firefighting (I think only a week), Personal Finance, basic electronics class with ATs, AEs, and AWs (I believe it is called ATT), AE A-School.

The Electronics class was about 2 months long and it is all computer based lessons covering different types of electricity, generating electricity, electronic components, and basic circuits. There is a lesson on soldering, but no hands on experience. It has some basic troubleshooting for circuits that you do get to work hands on with pre-made circuits.

A-School was about 2 1/2 months long and again it was mostly computer based lessons. You mostly learned about reading out wires and how to find various faults in all of the aircraft systems. Like one lesson would be devoted to the landing gear system. First you'd learn the components, then how they work together, and finally troubleshooting techniques to find faults. They have a very interesting computer program that does it's best to simulate reading wires and components on a jet.

During A-School you will be able to choose your orders. They usually try to wait until you take your first test, so that you can pick orders depending on your test score. Unfortunately for me, we picked orders before our first test; so we picked at random.
What will happen is, the Chief will come in with a list of available orders. He will write them on the board and then you will get to choose in whatever order your class happens to do it in.
There will be orders for all sorts of places in the States and over seas. There might be I-Level or O-Level (for AEs, obviously ATO and ATI are stuck in their level) and there could be orders for any type of platform (fixed wing or helicopter).

C-School will depend on your platform of course, but mine was about 2 months long. I mostly learned how to use IETMs and went more in-depth on the various aircraft systems. They had a jet that had been disassembled into various sections (such as the cockpit, wings, landing gears, etc) and you got to watch how the aircraft is supposed to work. During some parts of the training I actually got to go replace a few parts and sit in the cockpit to learn the different switches.

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But choices vary from time to time and it's hard to predict. If you get F-18 orders you will probably go to Lemoore, CA or Oceana, VA. There's usually a couple for Japan. You could go to Washington or Hawaii even. It's hard to predict.
San Diego has a lot of Helo orders.

Sebass1223 · 07-15-2014, 10:23 AM

Are ae workdays really long?

06-19-2014, 10:01 PM	#1
Navyrhino88 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: NAS Lemoore Posts: 27 Rep Power: 0	Thank you! I'm hoping for the best November isn't too bad of a wait. As far as AT or AE I honestly don't mind either. How's your experience as an AE? Does one have more fluid advancement over the other? Also I spoke with an AEC recently and he briefly told me about USMAPS--do you have any info about that for a future sailor? I know I kind of bombarded you...I appreciate your answers Petty Officer.

06-19-2014, 11:18 PM	#2
Temen Active Duty Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: NAS Lemoore Posts: 145 Rep Power: 0	I really enjoy being an AE. At least on F-18s we literally touch every part of the jet. I know the hydraulic system, the engine system, even a bit about the oxygen system. Obviously, I mostly deal with the wiring and lighting, but our wires go to everything so I have to be able to understand the whole aircraft. And even though ATs mostly deal with the computers (for communication, radar, weapons, etc), AEs are responsible for the computers running the flight controls. Also, as an AE its highly looked upon if we get Turn Qualed, meaning you are qualified to turn on the jet's engines and ensure everything is running smoothly so that the pilot can safely fly it. I really think it's the best rate if you want to know the whole aircraft and enjoy troubleshooting. As far as advancement goes. Both rates are doing decent, though the advancement rate has been declining. Of course it is hard to predict the future and I believe ATs actually have a better advancement rate at the moment. USMAPs is great for any rating really. You just have to log your work hours and once you meet the requirements, you are given a certificate that you can use for civilian employment. I believe it's run by the department of labor. Don't feel bad for asking a lot of questions, that's what I (and everyone else) is here for. To help you out and give you more knowledge than we had coming in.

06-20-2014, 07:11 PM	#3
Navyrhino88 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: NAS Lemoore Posts: 27 Rep Power: 0	Thank you for the info. Ill def keep in touch with any questions. Its seems hard to find AVs with recent experience.

06-20-2014, 08:24 PM	#4
Temen Active Duty Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: NAS Lemoore Posts: 145 Rep Power: 0	Glad I could help. I'll do my best to help in the future too, though my time on this site is rather sporadic. I have noticed there doesn't seem to be many AVs, which is too bad because I'd love to give any hopeful AVs some insight on the rating they may end up with. You can't expect a recruiter to know every rating by heart, nor can you always trust the descriptions that the Navy provides.

06-22-2014, 12:49 PM	#5
daaaniiieee Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 28 Rep Power: 0	I'm a future AV and I ship on July 22nd. How long was your A school? And what were your duty station choices?

06-23-2014, 08:21 PM	#6
Temen Active Duty Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: NAS Lemoore Posts: 145 Rep Power: 0	I'll just copy an paste my last explanation since I can't remember the exact lengths of school. --- COPY --- I can't remember exactly how long each class was. I'll tell you I was in Pensacola from Sept 2011 all the way to Feb 2012. My time there included barracks support (cleaning the barracks), Indoctrination (2-3 days), barracks Yeoman (volunteer), Aircraft Firefighting (I think only a week), Personal Finance, basic electronics class with ATs, AEs, and AWs (I believe it is called ATT), AE A-School. The Electronics class was about 2 months long and it is all computer based lessons covering different types of electricity, generating electricity, electronic components, and basic circuits. There is a lesson on soldering, but no hands on experience. It has some basic troubleshooting for circuits that you do get to work hands on with pre-made circuits. A-School was about 2 1/2 months long and again it was mostly computer based lessons. You mostly learned about reading out wires and how to find various faults in all of the aircraft systems. Like one lesson would be devoted to the landing gear system. First you'd learn the components, then how they work together, and finally troubleshooting techniques to find faults. They have a very interesting computer program that does it's best to simulate reading wires and components on a jet. During A-School you will be able to choose your orders. They usually try to wait until you take your first test, so that you can pick orders depending on your test score. Unfortunately for me, we picked orders before our first test; so we picked at random. What will happen is, the Chief will come in with a list of available orders. He will write them on the board and then you will get to choose in whatever order your class happens to do it in. There will be orders for all sorts of places in the States and over seas. There might be I-Level or O-Level (for AEs, obviously ATO and ATI are stuck in their level) and there could be orders for any type of platform (fixed wing or helicopter). C-School will depend on your platform of course, but mine was about 2 months long. I mostly learned how to use IETMs and went more in-depth on the various aircraft systems. They had a jet that had been disassembled into various sections (such as the cockpit, wings, landing gears, etc) and you got to watch how the aircraft is supposed to work. During some parts of the training I actually got to go replace a few parts and sit in the cockpit to learn the different switches. --- COPY --- But choices vary from time to time and it's hard to predict. If you get F-18 orders you will probably go to Lemoore, CA or Oceana, VA. There's usually a couple for Japan. You could go to Washington or Hawaii even. It's hard to predict. San Diego has a lot of Helo orders.

07-15-2014, 10:23 AM	#7
Sebass1223 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	Are ae workdays really long?