More SB rating info stuff...

Craig · 02-16-2011, 10:56 PM

(SB) Special Warfare Boat Operator

Special Warfare Boat Operators drive fast speedboats down narrow, winding rivers, or the open ocean while performing high speed, medium range, or all weather insertion/extraction of Special Operations forces. They participate in maritime interdiction operations, tactical swimmer operations, intelligence collection, operation deception, and Coastal patrol.

Navy Special Boat Operators (SB's) are also known as SWCC, which is an acronym for Special Warfare Combatant-craft Crewmen. The members of SWCC drive a variety of Special Warfare craft. They support SEALs and other Special Operations Command forces during their maritime and riverine missions, and conduct unconventional small boat operations such as coastal/riverine patrols. SEAL Teams, SEAL Delivery Vehicle (SDV) Teams, and Special Boat Teams comprise the elite combat units of Naval Special Warfare, a service component of the United States Special Operations Command. These units are organized, trained, and equipped to conduct a variety of missions, including unconventional warfare, direct action, special reconnaissance, foreign internal defense, and counter-terrorism missions. They also support psychological and civil affairs operations in maritime and riverine environments. These highly trained specialists are deployed worldwide in support of National Command Authority objectives, conducting operations with other conventional and unconventional forces.

Duties of SB include:

Conducting maritime insertions/extractions of SEALS and other Special Operations Forces.
Collecting information and intelligence on enemy military installations in coastal areas.
Performing parachute/helicopter insertion operations in support of missions.
Supporting military and civilian law enforcement agencies.

Working Environment
SBs may be exposed to arctic, desert or jungle environments including survival in enemy controlled areas and all water conditions. They may also perform administrative and foreign training missions in a wide variety of climates throughout the world.

A-School (Job School) Information

SWCC Indoc, San Diego, CA - 2 weeks
SWCC Basic Crewman Training , San Diego, CA - 5 weeks
Crewman Qualification Training (CQT) - 14 weeks

Security Clearance Requirement: Secret

Other Requirements

Must Be U.S. citizen
Uncorrected vision can be no worse than 20/200 in each eye. Both eyes must be correctable to 20/20. You may request a waiver if you have had your vision corrected through a PRK/Lasik procedure.
Must have normal depth perception and normal color vision.
Must be age 30 or younger (waivers available on a case-by-case basis)
Not be under civil restraint, a substance abuser nor have a pattern of minor convictions or any non-minor, misdemeanor, or felony convictions (waivers are granted depending on number and severity).
This program is closed to women.

The physical screening test is designed to assess the applicant's physical ability to undergo initial training. The test will be administered exactly as indicated. No waiver will be granted for failure to successfully complete the physical screening test. The run/swim times and push-up/sit-up/pull-up standards are minimum standards only. Maximum effort is required for all exercises and will be reported on the physical fitness screening test form submitted with your application.

500-yard swim using breast and/or sidestroke in under 13 minutes
10-minute rest
Perform a minimum of 42 push-ups in 2 minutes
2-minute rest
Perform a minimum of 50 sit-ups in 2 minutes
2-minute rest
Perform a minimum of 6 pull-ups (no time limit)
10-minute rest
Run 1 ½ miles wearing running shoes in under 12 minutes and 30 seconds

SB is open to new recruits under the SWCC-Challenge Program. The SWCC Challenge Program Option guarantees the opportunity to enter the Naval Special Warfare/SWCC community for individuals desiring a 4-year USN enlistment. This option provides for entry into Class "A" School. Applicants must volunteer for diving duty to become eligible for all training pipelines offered in Special Operations.
Individuals can also volunteer for the program during basic training, or at any time during their career (up to age 30).

Sea/Shore Rotation for This Rating

First Sea Tour: 60 months
First Shore Tour: 36 months
Second Sea Tour: 60 months
Second Shore Tour: 36 months
Third Sea Tour: 48 months
Third Shore Tour: 36 months
Fourth Sea Tour: 48 months
Forth Shore Tour: 36 months

Note: Sea tours and shore tours for sailors that have completed four sea tours will be 36 months at sea followed by 36 months ashore until retirement.
Note: The Naval Special Warfare community is a sea-intensive community. Due to the unique nature of the special warfare mission, sailors in the elite communities of Navy Special Warfare Operator (SO) and Naval Special Warfare Boat Operator (SB) should expect to serve back-to-back sea tours prior to assignment ashore. Sailors in these communities can expect their initial back-to-back sea tours to be within the same geographic location, contingent upon the needs of the Navy and NSW.

ProDad · 09-13-2016, 11:51 AM

The information in this thread "More SB rating info stuff...", is around 5 years old.
My son who is currently in AECF rating, waiting to ship next March is now seriously considering the SB rating. Just wondering how current the details are in your post now-a-days, Craig. It does seem fairly similar to the current rating sheet I have found. But just wondering if there are any glaring changes.....

FlyNavy · 09-15-2016, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProDad

The information in this thread "More SB rating info stuff...", is around 5 years old.
My son who is currently in AECF rating, waiting to ship next March is now seriously considering the SB rating. Just wondering how current the details are in your post now-a-days, Craig. It does seem fairly similar to the current rating sheet I have found. But just wondering if there are any glaring changes.....

This is still accurate.

Keep in mind though that if your son fails out of SWCC, he'll be going needs of the Navy and not back to AECF school. So it's not a decision to take lightly. You're either 110% into it or your not. Anything less than that and you won't be successful in a challenge program.

/r
CTT1

ProDad · 09-15-2016, 01:10 PM

Yes, good to know that. He has time to think this through and prepare physically for the training. But he has to motivate himself more for that.
One other question. Say he gets to Boot, volunteers for SB. What is the process? Do they do additional evaluations on fitness and abilities and either accept him or not? If not accepted, no change then, right? He is still AECF? And, if he passes the evaluations and is given the opportunity, can he decide at stay AEFC, or take the challenge? I understand if he takes the challenge and washes out, that he then goes "best use of the Navy. Guess that is more than one question. Sorry

FlyNavy · 09-18-2016, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ProDad

Yes, good to know that. He has time to think this through and prepare physically for the training. But he has to motivate himself more for that.
One other question. Say he gets to Boot, volunteers for SB. What is the process? Do they do additional evaluations on fitness and abilities and either accept him or not? If not accepted, no change then, right? He is still AECF? And, if he passes the evaluations and is given the opportunity, can he decide at stay AEFC, or take the challenge? I understand if he takes the challenge and washes out, that he then goes "best use of the Navy. Guess that is more than one question. Sorry

You wouldn't be volunteering at boot. Once you ship for boot camp you're going to go through the program you signed up for and can apply once you're in the Fleet. At that time, the rating adviser and community managers of both SB and your current rate will decide if A) They'll let you go, B) The new rate will take you, and C) When that would happen. If he wants to do it now or right away then the only sure thing of making that happening is switching before you ship. If he waits till after he's in the Navy (IE ships for boot) then it'll probably be a couple years before they'll let him apply.

With that, here is how that would all play out if he fails:

Switches before he leaves: If you switch to SB before you leave, and then fail out, you don't have anything to fall back on. You will be needs of the Navy and they will either just assign you a rate or possibly let you pick from whatever might be available right then that you qualify for. Some guys get lucky and get a decent rate and others are just assigned something like Undesignated/PACT. It's all luck of the draw really and nothing you do will influence what happens, so realize if you fail out then it's a toss up. Seen hundreds of dudes go both ways.

Goes AECF, gets a rate, then applies while in the Fleet, before ultimately failing out: You would just get assigned back as whatever rate you were before. For example; if you were an FC, went to SB training and failed, then you would just go back to being an FC somewhere.

/r
CTT1

JTMASCAK · 09-19-2016, 04:18 AM

Craig,
When you say "needs of the Navy" whether it's giving a list or choosing one for the Sailor. Will they at least pair you with a rate your "most" qualified for or could it be a "hard to fill" rate?

ProDad · 09-19-2016, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CTT1(SW)Griffin

You wouldn't be volunteering at boot. Once you ship for boot camp you're going to go through the program you signed up for and can apply once you're in the Fleet. At that time, the rating adviser and community managers of both SB and your current rate will decide if A) They'll let you go, B) The new rate will take you, and C) When that would happen. If he wants to do it now or right away then the only sure thing of making that happening is switching before you ship. If he waits till after he's in the Navy (IE ships for boot) then it'll probably be a couple years before they'll let him apply.

With that, here is how that would all play out if he fails:

Switches before he leaves: If you switch to SB before you leave, and then fail out, you don't have anything to fall back on. You will be needs of the Navy and they will either just assign you a rate or possibly let you pick from whatever might be available right then that you qualify for. Some guys get lucky and get a decent rate and others are just assigned something like Undesignated/PACT. It's all luck of the draw really and nothing you do will influence what happens, so realize if you fail out then it's a toss up. Seen hundreds of dudes go both ways.

Goes AECF, gets a rate, then applies while in the Fleet, before ultimately failing out: You would just get assigned back as whatever rate you were before. For example; if you were an FC, went to SB training and failed, then you would just go back to being an FC somewhere.

/r
CTT1

Got it. Thanks for the clarity!

E.MigZ · 02-10-2017, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CTT1(SW)Griffin

You wouldn't be volunteering at boot. Once you ship for boot camp you're going to go through the program you signed up for and can apply once you're in the Fleet. At that time, the rating adviser and community managers of both SB and your current rate will decide if A) They'll let you go, B) The new rate will take you, and C) When that would happen. If he wants to do it now or right away then the only sure thing of making that happening is switching before you ship. If he waits till after he's in the Navy (IE ships for boot) then it'll probably be a couple years before they'll let him apply.

With that, here is how that would all play out if he fails:

Switches before he leaves: If you switch to SB before you leave, and then fail out, you don't have anything to fall back on. You will be needs of the Navy and they will either just assign you a rate or possibly let you pick from whatever might be available right then that you qualify for. Some guys get lucky and get a decent rate and others are just assigned something like Undesignated/PACT. It's all luck of the draw really and nothing you do will influence what happens, so realize if you fail out then it's a toss up. Seen hundreds of dudes go both ways.

Goes AECF, gets a rate, then applies while in the Fleet, before ultimately failing out: You would just get assigned back as whatever rate you were before. For example; if you were an FC, went to SB training and failed, then you would just go back to being an FC somewhere.

/r
CTT1

so if one were to fail/get dropped on performance or medical, then gets sent to fleet "Undesignated/PACT". Not get rolled or DoR.
Would he be able to still request and return back to NSW after the waiting period?
i believe at least 2 years?

FlyNavy · 02-10-2017, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E.MigZ

so if one were to fail/get dropped on performance or medical, then gets sent to fleet "Undesignated/PACT". Not get rolled or DoR.
Would he be able to still request and return back to NSW after the waiting period?
i believe at least 2 years?

Sailors dropped from a previous program and reclassified into PACT will receive PCS (permanent change of station) orders to their new command, at which point their PRD (projected rotation date) will be set 24 months after their arrival.

Once you're coming up on that PRD date, you would start applying for a designation/program. There are several ways to pick up a rate, so I wont chew your ear off on each one. But once you're in that window to start applying, that's when you would start looking at whatever program you want to shoot for.

That may be a lot of Navy jargon there, so let me know if I lost you anywhere haha

/r
CTT1

02-16-2011, 10:56 PM	#1
Craig Administrator Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Centennial, Colorado Posts: 2,767 Rep Power: 285	More SB rating info stuff... (SB) Special Warfare Boat Operator Special Warfare Boat Operators drive fast speedboats down narrow, winding rivers, or the open ocean while performing high speed, medium range, or all weather insertion/extraction of Special Operations forces. They participate in maritime interdiction operations, tactical swimmer operations, intelligence collection, operation deception, and Coastal patrol. Navy Special Boat Operators (SB's) are also known as SWCC, which is an acronym for Special Warfare Combatant-craft Crewmen. The members of SWCC drive a variety of Special Warfare craft. They support SEALs and other Special Operations Command forces during their maritime and riverine missions, and conduct unconventional small boat operations such as coastal/riverine patrols. SEAL Teams, SEAL Delivery Vehicle (SDV) Teams, and Special Boat Teams comprise the elite combat units of Naval Special Warfare, a service component of the United States Special Operations Command. These units are organized, trained, and equipped to conduct a variety of missions, including unconventional warfare, direct action, special reconnaissance, foreign internal defense, and counter-terrorism missions. They also support psychological and civil affairs operations in maritime and riverine environments. These highly trained specialists are deployed worldwide in support of National Command Authority objectives, conducting operations with other conventional and unconventional forces. Duties of SB include: Conducting maritime insertions/extractions of SEALS and other Special Operations Forces. Collecting information and intelligence on enemy military installations in coastal areas. Performing parachute/helicopter insertion operations in support of missions. Supporting military and civilian law enforcement agencies. Working Environment SBs may be exposed to arctic, desert or jungle environments including survival in enemy controlled areas and all water conditions. They may also perform administrative and foreign training missions in a wide variety of climates throughout the world. A-School (Job School) Information SWCC Indoc, San Diego, CA - 2 weeks SWCC Basic Crewman Training , San Diego, CA - 5 weeks Crewman Qualification Training (CQT) - 14 weeks Security Clearance Requirement: Secret Other Requirements Must Be U.S. citizen Uncorrected vision can be no worse than 20/200 in each eye. Both eyes must be correctable to 20/20. You may request a waiver if you have had your vision corrected through a PRK/Lasik procedure. Must have normal depth perception and normal color vision. Must be age 30 or younger (waivers available on a case-by-case basis) Not be under civil restraint, a substance abuser nor have a pattern of minor convictions or any non-minor, misdemeanor, or felony convictions (waivers are granted depending on number and severity). This program is closed to women. The physical screening test is designed to assess the applicant's physical ability to undergo initial training. The test will be administered exactly as indicated. No waiver will be granted for failure to successfully complete the physical screening test. The run/swim times and push-up/sit-up/pull-up standards are minimum standards only. Maximum effort is required for all exercises and will be reported on the physical fitness screening test form submitted with your application. 500-yard swim using breast and/or sidestroke in under 13 minutes 10-minute rest Perform a minimum of 42 push-ups in 2 minutes 2-minute rest Perform a minimum of 50 sit-ups in 2 minutes 2-minute rest Perform a minimum of 6 pull-ups (no time limit) 10-minute rest Run 1 ½ miles wearing running shoes in under 12 minutes and 30 seconds SB is open to new recruits under the SWCC-Challenge Program. The SWCC Challenge Program Option guarantees the opportunity to enter the Naval Special Warfare/SWCC community for individuals desiring a 4-year USN enlistment. This option provides for entry into Class "A" School. Applicants must volunteer for diving duty to become eligible for all training pipelines offered in Special Operations. Individuals can also volunteer for the program during basic training, or at any time during their career (up to age 30). Sea/Shore Rotation for This Rating First Sea Tour: 60 months First Shore Tour: 36 months Second Sea Tour: 60 months Second Shore Tour: 36 months Third Sea Tour: 48 months Third Shore Tour: 36 months Fourth Sea Tour: 48 months Forth Shore Tour: 36 months Note: Sea tours and shore tours for sailors that have completed four sea tours will be 36 months at sea followed by 36 months ashore until retirement. Note: The Naval Special Warfare community is a sea-intensive community. Due to the unique nature of the special warfare mission, sailors in the elite communities of Navy Special Warfare Operator (SO) and Naval Special Warfare Boat Operator (SB) should expect to serve back-to-back sea tours prior to assignment ashore. Sailors in these communities can expect their initial back-to-back sea tours to be within the same geographic location, contingent upon the needs of the Navy and NSW. __________________

09-13-2016, 11:51 AM	#2
ProDad Newbie Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 17 Rep Power: 7	Current Info on SB Rating? The information in this thread "More SB rating info stuff...", is around 5 years old. My son who is currently in AECF rating, waiting to ship next March is now seriously considering the SB rating. Just wondering how current the details are in your post now-a-days, Craig. It does seem fairly similar to the current rating sheet I have found. But just wondering if there are any glaring changes.....

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09-15-2016, 01:10 PM	#4
ProDad Newbie Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 17 Rep Power: 7	Yes, good to know that. He has time to think this through and prepare physically for the training. But he has to motivate himself more for that. One other question. Say he gets to Boot, volunteers for SB. What is the process? Do they do additional evaluations on fitness and abilities and either accept him or not? If not accepted, no change then, right? He is still AECF? And, if he passes the evaluations and is given the opportunity, can he decide at stay AEFC, or take the challenge? I understand if he takes the challenge and washes out, that he then goes "best use of the Navy. Guess that is more than one question. Sorry

09-19-2016, 04:18 AM	#6
JTMASCAK Newbie Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Craig, When you say "needs of the Navy" whether it's giving a list or choosing one for the Sailor. Will they at least pair you with a rate your "most" qualified for or could it be a "hard to fill" rate?