No Longer Rumor - Female Hair Jan 2015

LT Guppy · 12-08-2014, 01:22 PM

Beginning in January, there will be a test program allowing female recruits to NOT cut their hair, in order to learn proper hairstyles for the fleet.
The female hair regulations have also been updates.

I'll post the links later, but in the meantime, you can find them on All Hands Magazine.

Atom_breaker · 12-08-2014, 01:26 PM

...you beat me to the thread!!!!!! Maybe you can delete my post..

Here is the details:
"Beginning January 2015, Naval Service Training Command (NSTC) will initiate a pilot program to cease mandatory female haircuts at Recruit Training Command (RTC) and Officer Training Command (OTC). The pilot was established after receiving feedback that junior Sailors and officers are not taught proper grooming standards during their initial training. Grooming standards education will be incorporated into the curriculum, but will not impact other training. This will allow women to style longer hair in the same manner that they would wear it daily in the Fleet while providing the opportunity to demonstrate their understanding of the standards before transferring to the Fleet. If desired, women will still have the opportunity to cut their hair upon arrival and during training at RTC and OTC"

Read it for yourselfs.
and the link http://www.navy.mil/ah_online/ftrSto...sue=3&id=84782

BethanySmith · 12-08-2014, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guppy

Beginning in January, there will be a test program allowing female recruits to NOT cut their hair, in order to learn proper hairstyles for the fleet.
The female hair regulations have also been updates.

I'll post the links later, but in the meantime, you can find them on All Hands Magazine.

I had just read that... How long do the test programs last for and how long do you think till its permanent I leave 20150428

Raca1234 · 12-08-2014, 02:26 PM

I leave 20150203, What do you think the test program will achieve? Do you think the test program will last that long? Final question: Do you think they'll end up giving female recruits a little longer in the morning for grooming?

LT Guppy · 12-08-2014, 02:31 PM

I'll have to do a little more research, but these tests usually last several months before they are approved. However it may be like the new uniforms where they have a test group (only certain divisions), before they roll it out to everyone.

It really shouldn't add any extra time. I can get my hair in regs in under a minute. It's not hard.

BethanySmith · 12-08-2014, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Raca1234

I leave 20150203, What do you think the test program will achieve? Do you think the test program will last that long? Final question: Do you think they'll end up giving female recruits a little longer in the morning for grooming?

I emailed them and got this response be aware i leave 20150428
"Good afternoon shipmate,
Thanks for your inquiry. The RTC/OTC female hair pilot doesn't have a definite end date; ideally, if it goes well, we hope that it will be a permanent change; however, only time will tell that. So in short, I don't have a good, definite answer for you. Our plan right now is to have that hair pilot still in place when you're expected to be there, but that could always change.

I hope that helps; please let me know if you have any further questions/concerns. Thanks,"

NavyKitten · 12-08-2014, 03:27 PM

This is seriously the best day ever. I was literally going to get a pixie cut after christmas to see what my hair does when short. I needed to learn to tame the inevitable poofball, and now I don't have to! YAY

chemelle1 · 12-08-2014, 04:57 PM

Ask and we shall receive!

Atom_breaker · 12-08-2014, 05:02 PM

I think I would still cut my hair. Otherwise if you're not in the pilot, you'll be one of the recruits walking around with the very obvious Nex haircut. But I hope it becomes a permanent change, RTC is to far seperated from what the rest of the Navy actually is.. When it comes to uniforms and personal grooming that is..

squid.life · 12-08-2014, 07:35 PM

So girls dont have to cut their hair by guys have to get shaved? Why can't I show up with a fade high and tight on top and call it good then? Good luck head crew dealing with all that hair.

Haasino · 12-08-2014, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by squid.life

So girls dont have to cut their hair by guys have to get shaved? Why can't I show up with a fade high and tight on top and call it good then? Good luck head crew dealing with all that hair.

Let's go back to the days of the beards...

BethanySmith · 12-08-2014, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by squid.life

So girls dont have to cut their hair by guys have to get shaved? Why can't I show up with a fade high and tight on top and call it good then? Good luck head crew dealing with all that hair.

They're not changing much honestly. A lot of females that have long hair in the Navy wear buns.They're just making it so you can learn how to manage long hair once it grows out on fleet.It's not like we can have different colors and pony tails and all that stuff.

sweetmtn · 12-08-2014, 09:58 PM

My only concern will be if many of the females seem to need a lot more time to get ready in the morning...so if you hope to be in one of the test groups and have long hair...I would PRACTISE NOW...make sure you can get it right in like 2 minutes!

Navy1013 · 12-08-2014, 10:23 PM

I heard the first haircut for guys is shaved but after that you can get a high and tight.

Haasino · 12-08-2014, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Navy1013

I heard the first haircut for guys is shaved but after that you can get a high and tight.

Or you could not be a Marine and get a normal haircut.

BloodyPheonix · 12-09-2014, 12:48 AM

Shun the non believer I rocked a high and tight for years.

squid.life · 12-09-2014, 08:12 AM

Love the high and tight. Maybe not total Marine status, but, the ladies love it.

Quartermaster · 12-09-2014, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Guppy

I'll have to do a little more research, but these tests usually last several months before they are approved. However it may be like the new uniforms where they have a test group (only certain divisions), before they roll it out to everyone.

It really shouldn't add any extra time. I can get my hair in regs in under a minute. It's not hard.

How do you do it??? Please share your secrets with me!

sweetmtn · 12-09-2014, 11:25 AM

Hey Guppy, maybe you can make a video of you getting your hair in regs for these girls to practice with!

navycatmc · 12-09-2014, 11:45 AM

I hope it lasts a while, I don't leave until 20140401!

Haasino · 12-09-2014, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by squid.life

Love the high and tight. Maybe not total Marine status, but, the ladies love it.

You go through NACCS and get a lot of time around Marines, and you'll learn to hate the look... lol.

Atom_breaker · 12-09-2014, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Haasino

Or you could not be a Marine and get a normal haircut.

Raca1234 · 12-09-2014, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BethanySmith

I emailed them and got this response be aware i leave 20150428
"Good afternoon shipmate,
Thanks for your inquiry. The RTC/OTC female hair pilot doesn't have a definite end date; ideally, if it goes well, we hope that it will be a permanent change; however, only time will tell that. So in short, I don't have a good, definite answer for you. Our plan right now is to have that hair pilot still in place when you're expected to be there, but that could always change.

I hope that helps; please let me know if you have any further questions/concerns. Thanks,"

I truly do hope we get there and it still stands, I'd hate for us females not cut our hair, then they tell us they've changed it and butcher our hair. Mine takes forever to grow back, even when it's healthy.

sweetmtn · 12-10-2014, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Haasino

You go through NACCS and get a lot of time around Marines, and you'll learn to hate the look... lol.

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Not nice! lol....my boys both had high and tights all their lives, and still do...well my oldest is still in the army and has to. But my youngest that was in the navy always had his high and tight, even now out he still keeps it high and tight, but he added a beard!

nast · 01-11-2015, 10:48 PM

Sorry to be negative but I have to be.
So, I had my own haircut before left to the bootcamp. I had nice long hair.
In the bootcamp I saw afroamericans (the girls) don't have to cut their hair. They were even allowed to have WIG on the top of their hair so no one really saw how their own hair long. They don't even washed their head regurarly and they had a terrible smell. (we were required to shower every single day, etc so the Navy put attention for that)
I think it's a positive discrimination for them. Can't believe it

(other thing that few of them had their nature look fake nail during all the time, no one asked them to remove it.)

chemelle1 · 01-12-2015, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by nast

Sorry to be negative but I have to be.
So, I had my own haircut before left to the bootcamp. I had nice long hair.
In the bootcamp I saw afroamericans (the girls) don't have to cut their hair. They were even allowed to have WIG on the top of their hair so no one really saw how their own hair long. They don't even washed their head regurarly and they had a terrible smell. (we were required to shower every single day, etc so the Navy put attention for that)
I think it's a positive discrimination for them. Can't believe it

(other thing that few of them had their nature look fake nail during all the time, no one asked them to remove it.)

1st: AfroAmerican is not the term. It's African American. It's not hard to remember.
2nd: African American women (probably) aren't required to cut their afro's because our hair grows up instead of down. An afro would have to be pretty large in order to break the "no hair below the collar" rule. That being said, Afro's can't be longer that two inches from the scalp. So if I showed up to RTC with an afro longer than that, I'd have to cut it.

I realize that it's at the discretion of the RDC's to determine the actual length of the afro, but African American women still have their own hair rules to adhere to at RTC.

As for wigs/sew-ins, I'm pretty sure they still have to adhere to the regular standard of cut above the collar. Anyone can wear a wig and hide their hair length, so I'm not sure how that's "positive discrimination"

I am sorry that you had to deal with a "terrible smell". African American women generally don't wash their hair as much as women from other ethnicities. So I'm sure that, coupled with sweat from working out only exacerbated the problem.

nast · 01-13-2015, 12:01 AM

Don't want to hurt your feelings.

NavyKitten · 01-19-2015, 11:09 AM

I heard that the pilot program for new RTC hair regs for females is ending March 31, and I leave April 1. Does anyone know how true this is? I don't want to not cut my hair and then have them give me a haircut when I get there. I would rather just cut my hair if I have to before I get there.

Haasino · 01-19-2015, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NavyKitten

I heard that the pilot program for new RTC hair regs for females is ending March 31, and I leave April 1. Does anyone know how true this is? I don't want to not cut my hair and then have them give me a haircut when I get there. I would rather just cut my hair if I have to before I get there.

That's what all the announcements I've read have indicated. Sounds like they're doing it for one training group, then they're going to evaluate the results and decide whether to adopt the program as-is, modify, or abandon it all-together.

MarchSailor · 01-27-2015, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by NavyKitten

I heard that the pilot program for new RTC hair regs for females is ending March 31, and I leave April 1. Does anyone know how true this is? I don't want to not cut my hair and then have them give me a haircut when I get there. I would rather just cut my hair if I have to before I get there.

I've been hearing that it's only from January to March and then after that they'll decide if it'll be extended or not.

WarriorQueen · 03-27-2015, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by sweetmtn

Hey Guppy, maybe you can make a video of you getting your hair in regs for these girls to practice with!

I second this!! I would LOVE to be able to practice before I leave. If no one can make a video, links to videos that have already been made would be appreciated a lot!

LT Guppy · 03-27-2015, 01:03 PM

I completely forgot sweet to asked me to do that, sorry. I'll try to put something together this weekend.

WarriorQueen · 03-27-2015, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Guppy

I completely forgot sweet to asked me to do that, sorry. I'll try to put something together this weekend.

Awesome! Much appreciated!

Ashlm · 08-27-2015, 10:08 PM

So I'm in the process of joining the navy and I got to MEPS in a couple days. I had a question about grooming matters. I like to dye my hair. It's naturally a really light brown but I like to dye it blonde (I think it's more flattering for me) my question is, will I still be able to dye it while I'm in the navy?

Raca1234 · 08-28-2015, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashlm

So I'm in the process of joining the navy and I got to MEPS in a couple days. I had a question about grooming matters. I like to dye my hair. It's naturally a really light brown but I like to dye it blonde (I think it's more flattering for me) my question is, will I still be able to dye it while I'm in the navy?

So you won't be able to dye it in bootcamp, unless your rdc makes you, so if you want to dye it I would wait until after. As long as it looks natural and not bleached or anything you'll be fine.

Ashlm · 08-28-2015, 09:47 AM

It's already dyed, that was my whole thing. It's all blonde, like a golden blonde. So should I go to a stylist and have them put some brown in it to make it look more natural?

Raca1234 · 08-28-2015, 09:54 AM

Have your recruiter look at it and see what they say. One of the girls that was with me when I went had her hair dyed, then halfway through they made her dye it dark brown because her blonde started fading. So if you keep it dyed, just make sure you get it dyed again right before you leave. You won't have enough space to keep good shampoo and conditioner, I used dove two in one, or just got travel sized all throughout boot.

12-08-2014, 01:22 PM	#1
LT Guppy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,858 Rep Power: 343	No Longer Rumor - Female Hair Jan 2015 Beginning in January, there will be a test program allowing female recruits to NOT cut their hair, in order to learn proper hairstyles for the fleet. The female hair regulations have also been updates. I'll post the links later, but in the meantime, you can find them on All Hands Magazine. __________________ Officers: making simple stuff hard since 1775 ACTIVE DUTY SAILORS - Click here to have your account verified

12-08-2014, 01:26 PM	#2
Atom_breaker Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 411 Rep Power: 49	...you beat me to the thread!!!!!! Maybe you can delete my post.. Here is the details: "Beginning January 2015, Naval Service Training Command (NSTC) will initiate a pilot program to cease mandatory female haircuts at Recruit Training Command (RTC) and Officer Training Command (OTC). The pilot was established after receiving feedback that junior Sailors and officers are not taught proper grooming standards during their initial training. Grooming standards education will be incorporated into the curriculum, but will not impact other training. This will allow women to style longer hair in the same manner that they would wear it daily in the Fleet while providing the opportunity to demonstrate their understanding of the standards before transferring to the Fleet. If desired, women will still have the opportunity to cut their hair upon arrival and during training at RTC and OTC" Read it for yourselfs. and the link http://www.navy.mil/ah_online/ftrSto...sue=3&id=84782 __________________ "Success teaches us nothing; only failure teaches.” Hyman G. Rickover "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." Winston Churchill

12-08-2014, 02:31 PM	#5
LT Guppy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,858 Rep Power: 343	I'll have to do a little more research, but these tests usually last several months before they are approved. However it may be like the new uniforms where they have a test group (only certain divisions), before they roll it out to everyone. It really shouldn't add any extra time. I can get my hair in regs in under a minute. It's not hard. __________________ Officers: making simple stuff hard since 1775 ACTIVE DUTY SAILORS - Click here to have your account verified

12-08-2014, 05:02 PM	#9
Atom_breaker Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 411 Rep Power: 49	I think I would still cut my hair. Otherwise if you're not in the pilot, you'll be one of the recruits walking around with the very obvious Nex haircut. But I hope it becomes a permanent change, RTC is to far seperated from what the rest of the Navy actually is.. When it comes to uniforms and personal grooming that is.. __________________ "Success teaches us nothing; only failure teaches.” Hyman G. Rickover "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." Winston Churchill

12-08-2014, 09:58 PM	#13
sweetmtn Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: N. CA Posts: 3,787 Rep Power: 390	My only concern will be if many of the females seem to need a lot more time to get ready in the morning...so if you hope to be in one of the test groups and have long hair...I would PRACTISE NOW...make sure you can get it right in like 2 minutes! __________________ Proud Military Mom, Navy Vet Justin(MM2n), and Army Vet SSgt Clayton "*Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude*." Thomas Jefferson

12-08-2014, 02:26 PM	#4
Raca1234 Active Duty Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 70 Rep Power: 13	I leave 20150203, What do you think the test program will achieve? Do you think the test program will last that long? Final question: Do you think they'll end up giving female recruits a little longer in the morning for grooming?

12-08-2014, 03:27 PM	#7
NavyKitten Junior Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 47 Rep Power: 10	This is seriously the best day ever. I was literally going to get a pixie cut after christmas to see what my hair does when short. I needed to learn to tame the inevitable poofball, and now I don't have to! YAY

12-08-2014, 04:57 PM	#8
chemelle1 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 27 Rep Power: 8	Ask and we shall receive!

12-08-2014, 07:35 PM	#10
squid.life Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: seattle Posts: 35 Rep Power: 9	So girls dont have to cut their hair by guys have to get shaved? Why can't I show up with a fade high and tight on top and call it good then? Good luck head crew dealing with all that hair.

12-08-2014, 10:23 PM	#14
Navy1013 Active Duty Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Upstate, SC Posts: 89 Rep Power: 18	I heard the first haircut for guys is shaved but after that you can get a high and tight.

12-09-2014, 12:48 AM	#16
BloodyPheonix Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 139 Rep Power: 204	Shun the non believer I rocked a high and tight for years.

12-09-2014, 08:12 AM	#17
squid.life Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: seattle Posts: 35 Rep Power: 9	Love the high and tight. Maybe not total Marine status, but, the ladies love it.

12-09-2014, 11:25 AM	#19
sweetmtn Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: N. CA Posts: 3,787 Rep Power: 390	Hey Guppy, maybe you can make a video of you getting your hair in regs for these girls to practice with! __________________ Proud Military Mom, Navy Vet Justin(MM2n), and Army Vet SSgt Clayton "*Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude*." Thomas Jefferson

12-09-2014, 11:45 AM	#20
navycatmc Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Florida Posts: 139 Rep Power: 21	I hope it lasts a while, I don't leave until 20140401! __________________ DEP Date: 20140813 Ship Date: 20150401 Graduation Date: 20150529 "To live will be an awfully big adventure." -Peter Pan

01-11-2015, 10:48 PM	#25
nast Newbie Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 13 Rep Power: 8	Sorry to be negative but I have to be. So, I had my own haircut before left to the bootcamp. I had nice long hair. In the bootcamp I saw afroamericans (the girls) don't have to cut their hair. They were even allowed to have WIG on the top of their hair so no one really saw how their own hair long. They don't even washed their head regurarly and they had a terrible smell. (we were required to shower every single day, etc so the Navy put attention for that) I think it's a positive discrimination for them. Can't believe it (other thing that few of them had their nature look fake nail during all the time, no one asked them to remove it.)

01-13-2015, 12:01 AM	#27
nast Newbie Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 13 Rep Power: 8	Don't want to hurt your feelings.

01-19-2015, 11:09 AM	#28
NavyKitten Junior Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 47 Rep Power: 10	I heard that the pilot program for new RTC hair regs for females is ending March 31, and I leave April 1. Does anyone know how true this is? I don't want to not cut my hair and then have them give me a haircut when I get there. I would rather just cut my hair if I have to before I get there.

03-27-2015, 01:03 PM	#32
LT Guppy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,858 Rep Power: 343	I completely forgot sweet to asked me to do that, sorry. I'll try to put something together this weekend. __________________ Officers: making simple stuff hard since 1775 ACTIVE DUTY SAILORS - Click here to have your account verified

08-27-2015, 10:08 PM	#34
Ashlm Newbie Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Grooming So I'm in the process of joining the navy and I got to MEPS in a couple days. I had a question about grooming matters. I like to dye my hair. It's naturally a really light brown but I like to dye it blonde (I think it's more flattering for me) my question is, will I still be able to dye it while I'm in the navy?

08-28-2015, 09:47 AM	#36
Ashlm Newbie Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	It's already dyed, that was my whole thing. It's all blonde, like a golden blonde. So should I go to a stylist and have them put some brown in it to make it look more natural?

08-28-2015, 09:54 AM	#37
Raca1234 Active Duty Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 70 Rep Power: 13	Have your recruiter look at it and see what they say. One of the girls that was with me when I went had her hair dyed, then halfway through they made her dye it dark brown because her blonde started fading. So if you keep it dyed, just make sure you get it dyed again right before you leave. You won't have enough space to keep good shampoo and conditioner, I used dove two in one, or just got travel sized all throughout boot.