HM Advancement

ashley1015 · 11-23-2013, 10:24 AM

My recruiter told me if you go in as HMDA, you stay for your entire career. It's possible to eventually get another NEC, but not likely.

Temen · 11-28-2013, 02:39 PM

Hopefuly, I don't repeat to many of the previous answers. I just quickly skimmed through the thread.

For all rates you will automatically advance to the next pay grade up to E-3 as long as you have enough "Time in Rate (TIR)".

E-1 to E-2 is 9 Months.
E-2 to E-3 is 9 Months.

After 6 months of being an E-3 you are eligible to take the next "advancement exam". There are only two "exam cycles" in a year. One in March and the other in September. So even if you reach 6 months TIR, you may have to wait for the next exam cycle. Also, I was lucky and only had 4 TIR when the exams came around and I was close enough that they allowed me to take the exam.

Now here's the fun part. You might score perfectly on the exam, but not advance. This is called Pass but did Not Advance (PNA) and will give you more points toward the next exam cycle.

Why can you score perfectly, but not advance? Well there are several factors that go toward your "Final Multiple" that determines who advances. First is the exam score. Second is your evaluation score. Third is your Award points. Fourth is your education points.

Your evaluation score is determined by several factors including work performance, military bearing, command involvement, and community service.

Award points are for certain awards you are given. http://usmilitary.about.com/library/...promotion3.htm

I believe education points are determined by what college degree you currently hold.

Now, the final bit of information. Only a certain percentage of test takers are eligible to advance per cycle. As the saying goes, you don't want too many Chiefs and not enough Indians.

So let's say 100 people took the advancement exam. 50 people got a passing score, but the "advancement quota" for their rate was only 20%. 20 people would advance. The other 30 who passed the exam, but didn't advance would receive PNA points. And the other 50 would receive nothing from the exam. In another 6 months the 70 people would be able to try again.

I hope that helps and isn't overly complicated to understand.

You can follow this page for updated information about quotas and who advanced: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Navy-...r/213190711299

As you can see only 15% of HMs were eligible to advance to E-4:
http://www.navy.mil/ah_online/docume...s_Cycle220.pdf

Angst · 12-05-2013, 09:13 PM

HM's have the worst advancement rate in the entire Navy. You're going to PNA your entire career. To give you a real world example, there's a fleet returnee HM re-rated (by choice) here with 4 years in. He's an E-3. If you want to do it, by all means go FMF and play with the marines. But don't go in thinking you're going to fast track to chief. You will have to do RDC shore duty if you want to be an E-7.

Specifically for HM, on the last cycle 6,288 eligible E-3's passed the exam, but only 1,065 were tapped to advance to E-4.

You will notice when you get to RTC that all RDC's have the same handful of rates. These rates all have terrible advancement because everyone wants to be an HM, MA, a seabee, aircrew, or pretty much any aviation rate, a CS, a BM, and a GM.

Pick what you love, just make sure you know what you're walking into for the next small chunk of your life.

Temen · 12-06-2013, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Angst

You will notice when you get to RTC that all RDC's have the same handful of rates. These rates all have terrible advancement because everyone wants to be an HM, MA, a seabee, aircrew, or pretty much any aviation rate, a CS, a BM, and a GM.

Pick what you love, just make sure you know what you're walking into for the next small chunk of your life.

Actually, Aviation seems to be the way to go. A lot of the rates are open for E-4 and still very decent for E-5.
I advanced to E-5 (currently frocked) with a 40% advancement rate! AM3 is still in the 70-80% range along with AT3. AT2 is "low" in the 20% I believe.

Still, as they say "choose your rate, choose your fate". The quotas will fluctuate and have their highs and lows. In general HM and MA are two popular rates that have very low percentages (probably due to their high number of people).

FutureHM · 12-06-2013, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Angst

HM's have the worst advancement rate in the entire Navy. You're going to PNA your entire career. To give you a real world example, there's a fleet returnee HM re-rated (by choice) here with 4 years in. He's an E-3. If you want to do it, by all means go FMF and play with the marines. But don't go in thinking you're going to fast track to chief. You will have to do RDC shore duty if you want to be an E-7.

Are you even in the Navy? Holy crap, this is probably the most misleading crap I've ever read.

kforbs126 · 12-06-2013, 08:16 PM

It's definitely true HM's do have one of the worst advancements in the Navy due to the volume of people in the rate. Of course there are always exceptions to advancement if you are a great test taker or a stellar sailor. I've come across HM's that have been in a long time and haven't advanced quickly. It takes a long time to advance for the average HM.

11-28-2013, 02:39 PM	#2
Temen Active Duty Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: NAS Lemoore Posts: 145 Rep Power: 23	Hopefuly, I don't repeat to many of the previous answers. I just quickly skimmed through the thread. For all rates you will automatically advance to the next pay grade up to E-3 as long as you have enough "Time in Rate (TIR)". E-1 to E-2 is 9 Months. E-2 to E-3 is 9 Months. After 6 months of being an E-3 you are eligible to take the next "advancement exam". There are only two "exam cycles" in a year. One in March and the other in September. So even if you reach 6 months TIR, you may have to wait for the next exam cycle. Also, I was lucky and only had 4 TIR when the exams came around and I was close enough that they allowed me to take the exam. Now here's the fun part. You might score perfectly on the exam, but not advance. This is called Pass but did Not Advance (PNA) and will give you more points toward the next exam cycle. Why can you score perfectly, but not advance? Well there are several factors that go toward your "Final Multiple" that determines who advances. First is the exam score. Second is your evaluation score. Third is your Award points. Fourth is your education points. Your evaluation score is determined by several factors including work performance, military bearing, command involvement, and community service. Award points are for certain awards you are given. http://usmilitary.about.com/library/...promotion3.htm I believe education points are determined by what college degree you currently hold. Now, the final bit of information. Only a certain percentage of test takers are eligible to advance per cycle. As the saying goes, you don't want too many Chiefs and not enough Indians. So let's say 100 people took the advancement exam. 50 people got a passing score, but the "advancement quota" for their rate was only 20%. 20 people would advance. The other 30 who passed the exam, but didn't advance would receive PNA points. And the other 50 would receive nothing from the exam. In another 6 months the 70 people would be able to try again. I hope that helps and isn't overly complicated to understand. You can follow this page for updated information about quotas and who advanced: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Navy-...r/213190711299 As you can see only 15% of HMs were eligible to advance to E-4: http://www.navy.mil/ah_online/docume...s_Cycle220.pdf __________________ AE2 (AW) Temen, USN Active Duty. F/A-18 A-F O-Level Maintainer Auxiliary Security Force

11-23-2013, 10:24 AM	#1
ashley1015 Newbie Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	My recruiter told me if you go in as HMDA, you stay for your entire career. It's possible to eventually get another NEC, but not likely.

12-05-2013, 09:13 PM	#3
Angst Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: $6BN of mobile US sovereign territory. Posts: 47 Rep Power: 11	HM's have the worst advancement rate in the entire Navy. You're going to PNA your entire career. To give you a real world example, there's a fleet returnee HM re-rated (by choice) here with 4 years in. He's an E-3. If you want to do it, by all means go FMF and play with the marines. But don't go in thinking you're going to fast track to chief. You will have to do RDC shore duty if you want to be an E-7. Specifically for HM, on the last cycle 6,288 eligible E-3's passed the exam, but only 1,065 were tapped to advance to E-4. You will notice when you get to RTC that all RDC's have the same handful of rates. These rates all have terrible advancement because everyone wants to be an HM, MA, a seabee, aircrew, or pretty much any aviation rate, a CS, a BM, and a GM. Pick what you love, just make sure you know what you're walking into for the next small chunk of your life.

12-06-2013, 08:16 PM	#6
kforbs126 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: San Diego, Ca Posts: 943 Rep Power: 127	It's definitely true HM's do have one of the worst advancements in the Navy due to the volume of people in the rate. Of course there are always exceptions to advancement if you are a great test taker or a stellar sailor. I've come across HM's that have been in a long time and haven't advanced quickly. It takes a long time to advance for the average HM.