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Old 03-22-2012, 10:36 PM   #1
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Hello all, future sailor Kennedy here. Would like to know as much about my rate as possible. If someone could answer these questions in depth, I'd very much appreciate it.

1) Any difference at all, job wise, between IT's and IT ATF's? I know I'll go to "C" school, but what purpose does that serve me? Big advantage there?

2) I am enlisting as an E-3, will this mean I will be automatic E-4 out of "C" school?

3) Where is "C" school?

4) Did I choose well in signing the 6 yr contract? Do IT people generally like their rate? I feel confident I'll appreciate it, but I can only speculate.

Thanks guys.
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Old 03-23-2012, 09:22 AM   #2
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Hello all, future sailor Kennedy here. Would like to know as much about my rate as possible. If someone could answer these questions in depth, I'd very much appreciate it.

1) Any difference at all, job wise, between IT's and IT ATF's? I know I'll go to "C" school, but what purpose does that serve me? Big advantage there?

2) I am enlisting as an E-3, will this mean I will be automatic E-4 out of "C" school?

3) Where is "C" school?

4) Did I choose well in signing the 6 yr contract? Do IT people generally like their rate? I feel confident I'll appreciate it, but I can only speculate.

Thanks guys.
1. IT is only a 4 year program, where as IT (ATF) is a 6 year program. The ATF consist of a "C" school (more training). The "C" school just makes you specialized in a certain area, like for IT an example would be a "tech controller" which means you are responsible for all signals coming into the radio shack. This training will pay off really well once you complete your service and get back into the civilian world.

2. Even though you are going in as a E3, you truly will only be a E1 in boot camp. Everyone is a E1 since they don't want people to be "pulling rank" on each other. Once you complete boot camp, you will be back paid for E3 from the time you started boot camp. Yes, you will be an E4 out of school. Here is the rules. Remember, if you started as an E1 you probably would be since you must have the correct Time In Service (TIS) to be advanced. You going in as a E3, then you would have that time.


3. Your "C" school would most likely be at Corry Station, Pensacola Florida.

4. I think you did great. 6 years may seem long, but in the grand scheme of things it truly isn't. I hope you don't have any "dirt" in your background. Because you need a special access clearance, you will have all types of invesigators talking to your neighbors, teachers, friends. They are there to find any dirt on you.
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Craig,

I had this question pop up too because I had to fill out numerous financial statements because I'm joining as an e3 with 3 dependents...you get paid your rate you go in at. There is no back pay. I had someone in the CNRC office confirm this. However you are correct with everyone being an SR in boot. But this is not reflected on the pay. If you sign as an e3, you get paid as an e3...period.
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Craig,

I had this question pop up too because I had to fill out numerous financial statements because I'm joining as an e3 with 3 dependents...you get paid your rate you go in at. There is no back pay. I had someone in the CNRC office confirm this. However you are correct with everyone being an SR in boot. But this is not reflected on the pay. If you sign as an e3, you get paid as an e3...period.
That's the 1st I've heard of that. I'm hoping Prop827 will pop in and let us know what his LES statement says. He's a Nuke and would have had sn advance paygrade.
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That's the 1st I've heard of that. I'm hoping Prop827 will pop in and let us know what his LES statement says. He's a Nuke and would have had sn advance paygrade.
First I've heard of it too, but then again, the only people coming over here with family members are E-4 and above, so none are fresh out of boot. I'd love to hear the answer to this!

As for the original post - I know some IT's that LOVE their job. My aunt is a retired IT - she loved what she did. She's still doing it now. Our good friends however are IT, and he hates it. I think he hates his specialization more than anything else, but nonetheless, he's not happy where he is.

Honestly though, you won't know whether or not you'll like it until you're in the thick of it. I think it just depends on your attitude, where you are, and your command. The person I'm talking about is pretty much by himself most of the time, and hardly gets noticed. (The IT division on our ship is HUGE). Some days, my husband HATES his job, and others, he absolutely loves it. So really, it's just going to depend on what day you're on as to whether or not you like it. Like Craig said, in the scheme of things, 6 years really isn't much longer than 4, so why not go for the bonus??
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First I've heard of it too, but then again, the only people coming over here with family members are E-4 and above, so none are fresh out of boot. I'd love to hear the answer to this!

As for the original post - I know some IT's that LOVE their job. My aunt is a retired IT - she loved what she did. She's still doing it now. Our good friends however are IT, and he hates it. I think he hates his specialization more than anything else, but nonetheless, he's not happy where he is.

Honestly though, you won't know whether or not you'll like it until you're in the thick of it. I think it just depends on your attitude, where you are, and your command. The person I'm talking about is pretty much by himself most of the time, and hardly gets noticed. (The IT division on our ship is HUGE). Some days, my husband HATES his job, and others, he absolutely loves it. So really, it's just going to depend on what day you're on as to whether or not you like it. Like Craig said, in the scheme of things, 6 years really isn't much longer than 4, so why not go for the bonus??
Yea, I imagine there are some pretty lame IT jobs out there, but I know there are good ones too. Will my performance in A/C school have any bearing on my job options when I graduate? Or Do I have zero control?
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My LES's from bootcamp are at E-3 pay, as I had an automatic advancement upon enlisting. However, there are rates which have an automatic advancement to E-2 upon completion of Recruit Training. Those people will receive E-2 or E-3 pay starting the day that RTC stamps their transfer orders.

As far as everyone being a recruit in bootcamp, that's something the RDC's do to mess with your head. Realize that their job is to change your attitude about things into the attitude of a sailor. Part of that is calling you a 'recruit' until you pass battlestations. Realize that they are referring to your status in the Navy, not your actual paygrade.
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My LES's from bootcamp are at E-3 pay, as I had an automatic advancement upon enlisting. However, there are rates which have an automatic advancement to E-2 upon completion of Recruit Training. Those people will receive E-2 or E-3 pay starting the day that RTC stamps their transfer orders.
Thanks Nuke Guy.... Good info to know....
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Hello all, future sailor Kennedy here. Would like to know as much about my rate as possible. If someone could answer these questions in depth, I'd very much appreciate it.

1) Any difference at all, job wise, between IT's and IT ATF's? I know I'll go to "C" school, but what purpose does that serve me? Big advantage there?

2) I am enlisting as an E-3, will this mean I will be automatic E-4 out of "C" school?

3) Where is "C" school?

4) Did I choose well in signing the 6 yr contract? Do IT people generally like their rate? I feel confident I'll appreciate it, but I can only speculate.

Thanks guys.
Soon to be ITSA here at your A-School in Corry Station. You made a great choice man, IT school is a pretty sweet gig and from what I've gained about fleet life is we have it made out there. With that said on to your questions.

1) It's with 4 year and 6 year contracts go to the same A school and do he same job in the fleet. The only difference is you go to C-school after completion of A-school and you are a push button E-4. I'll elaborate on both those.

2) Yes, you will make E-4 the day you graduate C-school. However it is possible to get promoted at the end of A-school if you are the top two of the class. May not seem like much, but hey its better pay for 4-5 months.

3) Your C-school will be at Corry Station, Pensacola, FL which is also where your A-school is. There are two C-schools for ITs: System Administration (Computers) and Journeyman's Communication Course (Radio). JCC lasts about 3 and a half months, SysAdmin goes on for about 5 months. After that you get to the fleet, although it is possible you wont even work in the same field you went to C-school for. Also which C-school you go to is entirely random.

4) If you're looking to make the Navy a career, you definitely did well in getting that advancement and extra schooling with the 6 year contract. Personally I had the option of both and went with the 4 year contract, but I've always had the intention of getting out after 4. See what I said earlier about ITs.

So yeah, that should all be really helpful info. If you have any other questions about boot or IT A-school feel free to ask here. Happy to help, I know this site did that for me.
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coppertop, do you know what the breakdown is between SA and JCC. I really want to go SA, how difficult is that job to get?
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coppertop, do you know what the breakdown is between SA and JCC. I really want to go SA, how difficult is that job to get?
I'd say its a 60-40 split with more people getting SysAdmin. Really depends on whatever class they need to fill as you graduate A school. Your thoughts may change, I know a lot of the 6 years in my class wanted SysAdmin until they got to the radio portion of school and it turns out they really enjoy it.

In SysAdmin you do get the opportunity (key word) to take the Security+ cert. In A school you will get the A+ cert as well, just thought I'd say.
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I'd say its a 60-40 split with more people getting SysAdmin. Really depends on whatever class they need to fill as you graduate A school. Your thoughts may change, I know a lot of the 6 years in my class wanted SysAdmin until they got to the radio portion of school and it turns out they really enjoy it.

In SysAdmin you do get the opportunity (key word) to take the Security+ cert. In A school you will get the A+ cert as well, just thought I'd say.
Thanks for the info!

Im a 4yr so no c school for me, like you my intentions are to get out in 4. At what point do you get offered subs? Im guessing you turned it down, any reasons out of curiousity?
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I'm a fellow ATF, thanks for all the info! Shipping 20130506.
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Kennedy,

I highly recommend IT (6Y) ATF, it is great. Automatic e4 once you hit your time in rate, and months after that you can test for e5, I am an e5 with 2 years in and love it. It is much better to make more money and have more authority than being a four year seaman.

C school is in pensacola, you will study administation on the server/network level. you will recieve a total of 6 civilian certifications from microsoft, A+, Sec+, GREAT in the civilian world as well.

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Hello all, future sailor Kennedy here. Would like to know as much about my rate as possible. If someone could answer these questions in depth, I'd very much appreciate it.

1) Any difference at all, job wise, between IT's and IT ATF's? I know I'll go to "C" school, but what purpose does that serve me? Big advantage there?

2) I am enlisting as an E-3, will this mean I will be automatic E-4 out of "C" school?

3) Where is "C" school?

4) Did I choose well in signing the 6 yr contract? Do IT people generally like their rate? I feel confident I'll appreciate it, but I can only speculate.

Thanks guys.
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Kennedy,

I highly recommend IT (6Y) ATF, it is great. Automatic e4 once you hit your time in rate, and months after that you can test for e5, I am an e5 with 2 years in and love it. It is much better to make more money and have more authority than being a four year seaman.

C school is in pensacola, you will study administation on the server/network level. you will recieve a total of 6 civilian certifications from microsoft, A+, Sec+, GREAT in the civilian world as well.

Do 6y

Good luck!
Granted IT advancement was 75% for IT3 last year so theres no way you don't at least pick up third by your two year mark, unless you really dont deserve it. And if you get in the top two spots in your class you can pick up third anyhow. Not to mention its very possible that you'll end up getting C-school even if you don't do ATF, which is happening to me.
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Just stumbled(literally) upon this site and it's been a huge help. I'm a recent convert to the ATF IT and glad that I had some of the same questions. At the "C" school at Corry, how long is it that we will be permitted to return back to the homestead and get our vehicle or will we be able to at all? I figured with the length of time in school being somewhat longer than most that there may be some fine print somewhere that I missed.
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Many thanks for all of the information. I, too, have signed with the 6 year program. One quick questions though, are you allowed to live off-base while in C-school? Thanks!
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Many thanks for all of the information. I, too, have signed with the 6 year program. One quick questions though, are you allowed to live off-base while in C-school? Thanks!
Unless you are married or there is a shortage of barracks rooms, probably not.
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