E-2 out of bootcamp?

[bbrandon92]

Is this true? My info sheet says so but theres nothing in my contract saying that. Whats the deal with the rank ups during aecf training, it also says il be E-4 once im finished with C school. Anyone know?

[sweetmtn]

Generall if it is NOT on your contract, dont count on it. Most A schools have an auto promote to the next level..(not all!) And if you meant "C" school, not see school, it generally means it is a fast track program with some automatic promotes....I personally am not super familiar with aecf training.

[bbrandon92]

Originally Posted by sweetmtn

Generall if it is NOT on your contract, dont count on it. Most A schools have an auto promote to the next level..(not all!) And if you meant "C" school, not see school, it generally means it is a fast track program with some automatic promotes....I personally am not super familiar with aecf training.

Thanks for the C school correction, I really have absolutly no IDEA why I would have typed the word see. I feel dumb lol

[kforbs126]

Originally Posted by bbrandon92

Is this true? My info sheet says so but theres nothing in my contract saying that. Whats the deal with the rank ups during aecf training, it also says il be E-4 once im finished with C school. Anyone know?

You will get E2 out of bootcamp unless you come in as at least an E2. After A school you should be an E3. Most likely you'll have to wait till you get to your command after C school to get frocked to E4. Most C schools don't frock anymore.

[Craig]

Here is the rule:

010204. TERM OF ENLISTMENT. Applicants will enlist for four years and concurrently
execute an agreement to extend their enlistment for 24 months.

Specific narrative reason for extension is:
“Training in the Advanced Electronic Field (AEF)/Advanced Technical Field (ATF)
Program and advancement to paygrade E4 per MILPERSMAN Articles 1160-040
and 1510-030. I understand that this extension becomes binding upon execution
and thereafter may not be cancelled except as set forth in MILPERSMAN Article
1160-040. In particular, I understand that when I accept advancement to E4, 12
months of this agreement may not be cancelled whether or not I complete advanced
training. This is my first enlistment.
Total aggregate of extension: 24 months.”

010205. GENERAL APPRENTICESHIP AND PAYGRADE
a. Entry Paygrade. All applicants are enlisted in paygrade E1 and are authorized
advancement to E2 upon completion of recruit training. Advancement to E3 is
authorized only after personnel complete all advancement in rate requirements and
time in grade requirements. This does not preclude enlistment in paygrade E2 or E3
under Volume IV, Chapter 3, Section 7.
b. Advancement. Advancement to E4 is authorized only after completion of all
advancement in rate requirements, time in grade requirements, and Class “A” School.
In addition, advancement to E3 and E4 is contingent upon maintaining AEF/ATF Program
eligibility. If an individual is reduced in rate because of disciplinary infractions prior or
subsequent to advancement to E4 eligibility for E4 is terminated. Advancement to E4
requires a five-year active duty obligation as set forth in MILPERSMAN 1430-010.

If an individual is reduced in rate subsequent to advancement to paygrade E4 there is
no reduction in active obligated service.
c. Conditions. Disenrollment from the program due to non-volunteering is not
authorized. Cancellation of enlistment extension due to disenrollment from or
nonenrollment in advanced training is per MILPERSMAN Article 1160-040.

Applicants must be specifically counseled that:
(1) If automatic advancement to E4 has been accepted one year of the extension
is binding whether or not advanced training is completed.
(2) Current paygrade is retained and the extension agreement is cancelled if the
individual quits or is found undesirable for program continuation, automatic advancement
has not been accepted, and advanced training has not begun.
(3) If the individual quits and advancement to E4 has not been accepted, but
advanced training has begun, the member is required to repay three months additional
obligated service (beyond the four-year point) for each month of advanced training
received up to a maximum of two additional years obligated service.
(4) If a member completes all advanced training and advancement to E4 was not
accepted the two-year extension remains effective due to completion of the advanced training.
(5) The member has a choice whether to accept E4. If E4 is accepted the individual
is bound for five of the six years however, regardless of E4 acceptance, the Chief of Naval
Personnel decides whether to order the individual to advanced training.

This decision is based on the probability of successfully completing the advanced training and
does take the member’s motivation and Class “A” School performance into account. Members
who are qualified for advanced training are ordered based on their qualifications and not on
their decision regarding advancement to E4.

[prop827]

To my knowledge (looks like craig has the official version) you will get E2 upon reporting to A School (from the guys I knew who are AECF). For automatic advancement beyond that, it isn't totally automatic. You need to pass all of your schooling sufficiently, have a good eval at the end of training (ie, no LOI's or Disciplinary/academic boards), not have gone to NJP or courts martial at all, and you must pass your PFA both to graduate boot camp and the next official one you take. The next official PFA is the most common reason for being denied automatic advancement.

[bbrandon92]

Im confused, everyone keeps saying A school, don't we report to tech school first? or is that the same thing?

[prop827]

Each rate is different, the vast majority start with A school then any technical (or C Schools) come later. Your rate may be different, I don't know much about AECF, but I do know about the auto advancement rules.

[kforbs126]

Originally Posted by prop827

To my knowledge (looks like craig has the official version) you will get E2 upon reporting to A School (from the guys I knew who are AECF). For automatic advancement beyond that, it isn't totally automatic. You need to pass all of your schooling sufficiently, have a good eval at the end of training (ie, no LOI's or Disciplinary/academic boards), not have gone to NJP or courts martial at all, and you must pass your PFA both to graduate boot camp and the next official one you take. The next official PFA is the most common reason for being denied automatic advancement.

This is not correct. You do not need to pass a PFA prior to getting frocked. You also do not get an eval during A or C school unless your C school is a specific time and that's only to take the advancement exam. You will go to ATT first, then A school then C school.