How in demand are IT's 2016?

contigo26 · 02-20-2016, 07:35 PM

I have intentions of enlisting and join the Navy with a rate in IT (Information Systems Technician. How available or wait will I have to do when there is an opening? Is it in demand or will i have to wait a long time?

I graduated with a degree in Information Systems in University and want to pursue this rate in the Navy and nothing else.

Also what if scored pretty badly on ASVAB and they gave me all sorts of rates I am not interested in? Can I still back out? Can anyone help explain the process?

YN2(AW)Williams · 02-20-2016, 09:59 PM

The manning numbers are public record and can be found at
http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-np.../Pages/IT.aspx
Click the option labeled "Community Overview."

The process goes like this:
1. Inquire about joining with recruiter, officer or enlisted.

2. Take ASVAB test. If you graduated from university in a technical field, you should have a pretty easy time with this.

3. Your ASVAB score will be used in conjunction with your MEPS physical to determine your academic and physical qualifications. For example I got a 99 on my ASVAB (highest possible) but the Navy considers me colorblind so I am disqualified from many jobs.

4. After your basic job eligibility is determined, they will begin a security screening process. At this stage no clearance is going to be granted or denied, they just need to look for items that might be concerning like owning property abroad, foreign investments, etc. This will slim down the remaining jobs available to what you can actually sign for.

5. After stages 1-5, you will meet with a detailer (NOT! your recruiter) who will begin the actual process of selecting a rate. I cannot stress enough that your recruiter has absolutely no control over your job. The detailer will tell you what you qualify for, what dates those jobs will ship out on, and if you need some help learning what they do they can explain it to you. Other than that, it is totally up to you at that point if you take one or walk. If you do select a job, you will sign a contract and swear in.

6. You will enter into "DEP" after signing for a job. This is a pseudo state where you are not technically in the Navy, but are expected to uphold the contract you signed. This period can last anywhere from a couple of weeks to several months until you actually leave for boot camp. In my case, it lasted from early February to mid-August of that same year.

At any point in this process you are free to leave, all the way up until you leave for boot camp. If you decide that you do not like any of the jobs then it is absolutely your right, and no one can take that from you. However once you sign your contract at MEPS (when you select your job) you are expected to honor the contract. Once you selected a job, there were budgetary considerations numbering in the tens of thousands of dollars that were made, and if you back out after that it will mess up a lot of stuff for a lot of people. Plus it is just plain dishonorable.

Once your DEP period is over, you will go back to MEPS one last time. You will do another physical, confirm your contract and terms, then swear in again. At that point, once you swear in the second time, you are in the Navy and all the legal consequences good and bad.

Now you say that you are only interested in IT, but there are other jobs that are in the same field such as AECF-FC and CTN. There are any number of reasons you may get disqualified for a position, so be prepared with backup options just in case.

LT Guppy · 02-20-2016, 10:07 PM

To add:

5a: the jobs that are available for detailer a to offer change DAILY. Its all a numbers game, and it's not up to them what's open on the day you happen to be there.

6a: you can be in DEP for up to a year, so theoretically if you signed for a job tomorrow, you could ship anywhere from the next day to Feb 2017. The extremes are unlikely, but possible. The average these days seems to be about 4-6 months.

contigo26 · 02-20-2016, 10:21 PM

Thank you for all the information, you guys are right, i should intend to have a backup.

The reason i had in mind to choose specifically IT was that i was interested more in gearing towards computer systems, and network which i saw the IT had and the certifications they receive which led me to be interested.

Anything that dealt with like let's say military radar, and others was not what I had in mind because I have gained a well understanding with what I learned in college, but yes i think i should consider having a backup because i would never know. But i appreciate all the help in making my decision to join and choose what i want to do.

It's been about two months since i graduated from college, and its been rough filling applications to tons of businesses. I could have filled over 100+ and yet to hear from a select few of 2-3 and get screened and interviewed but never heard back, which made me feel that I lacked experience which led me to discover the Navy which was recommended by some friends, and what they can provide you.

YN2(AW)Williams · 02-20-2016, 11:41 PM

Definitely check out some officer programs, and also CTN.

CTNs are the crypto-hackers and cyber defense for the military. With foreign contacts it will be tough to get that job, but would definitely be in line with what you are looking for. The Navy will also help arrange and pay for all your certs like Ethical Hacker and what not.

AECF-FC are the guys who handle the fire control software for the missile systems on ships. A lot of networking remote systems and troubleshooting startup procedures.

IdeaGuy · 08-17-2016, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by contigo26

Thank you for all the information, you guys are right, i should intend to have a backup.

The reason i had in mind to choose specifically IT was that i was interested more in gearing towards computer systems, and network which i saw the IT had and the certifications they receive which led me to be interested.

Anything that dealt with like let's say military radar, and others was not what I had in mind because I have gained a well understanding with what I learned in college, but yes i think i should consider having a backup because i would never know. But i appreciate all the help in making my decision to join and choose what i want to do.

It's been about two months since i graduated from college, and its been rough filling applications to tons of businesses. I could have filled over 100+ and yet to hear from a select few of 2-3 and get screened and interviewed but never heard back, which made me feel that I lacked experience which led me to discover the Navy which was recommended by some friends, and what they can provide you.

I completely know how you feel. The same exact thing happened to me. I went to school for software engineering though, dropped out half way, but still built a ton of software that were personal projects, competed in hack a thons, and this got me some attention.

In IT can you build stuff? As a coder guy, I never really learned much about IT. Is it possible to build stuff with your IT skills?

e.g. I could write some code that will display a ted feed, link to the original post, build a vote system for users to say whether they liked the talk or not, then have the UI element do some neat animation off the screen if the user votes down. Building personal projects like this & open sourcing the code got some employers to interview me.

Is there equivalent stuff to do in IT ?

contigo26 · 08-17-2016, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IdeaGuy

I completely know how you feel. The same exact thing happened to me. I went to school for software engineering though, dropped out half way, but still built a ton of software that were personal projects, competed in hack a thons, and this got me some attention.

In IT can you build stuff? As a coder guy, I never really learned much about IT. Is it possible to build stuff with your IT skills?

e.g. I could write some code that will display a ted feed, link to the original post, build a vote system for users to say whether they liked the talk or not, then have the UI element do some neat animation off the screen if the user votes down. Building personal projects like this & open sourcing the code got some employers to interview me.

Is there equivalent stuff to do in IT ?

During my schooling we were introduced to basics of computers then went in depth further. We learned about the different components of a computer, how to assemble it, test if it works, also learned some programming like HTML, PHP, CSS, JavaScript, made some simple website forms for projects and stuff, and more on the topics we learned about handling a business and applying your IT skills in a company whether its managing a server, doing maintenance, updates, security and stuff.

You'll be building a PC from scratch if that's what you meant. But most of the time you dont really build alot. You just assist the needs of the business being able to support, troubleshoot, finding the cause of the problem of why the PC isn't working or this particular programs like Outlook, MS Office and stuff. Also pretty much implement ideas along the way to improve your systems.

FlyNavy · 08-17-2016, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IdeaGuy

I completely know how you feel. The same exact thing happened to me. I went to school for software engineering though, dropped out half way, but still built a ton of software that were personal projects, competed in hack a thons, and this got me some attention.

In IT can you build stuff? As a coder guy, I never really learned much about IT. Is it possible to build stuff with your IT skills?

e.g. I could write some code that will display a ted feed, link to the original post, build a vote system for users to say whether they liked the talk or not, then have the UI element do some neat animation off the screen if the user votes down. Building personal projects like this & open sourcing the code got some employers to interview me.

Is there equivalent stuff to do in IT ?

If you're talking about IT's in the Navy, as in the rate, they aren't going to be doing much coding.

Your best bet for that would be CTN. And if you were to head that route I would say have a good understanding of a few high and low level languages, especially anything based in C.

/r
CTT1

CoolHandL · 02-22-2016, 11:07 AM

I have never able to fully decipher Community Overview figures. What are EPA, WIP, and NV?

02-20-2016, 07:35 PM	#1
contigo26 Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 73 Rep Power: 12	How in demand are IT's 2016? I have intentions of enlisting and join the Navy with a rate in IT (Information Systems Technician. How available or wait will I have to do when there is an opening? Is it in demand or will i have to wait a long time? I graduated with a degree in Information Systems in University and want to pursue this rate in the Navy and nothing else. Also what if scored pretty badly on ASVAB and they gave me all sorts of rates I am not interested in? Can I still back out? Can anyone help explain the process?

02-20-2016, 10:07 PM	#3
LT Guppy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,858 Rep Power: 343	To add: 5a: the jobs that are available for detailer a to offer change DAILY. Its all a numbers game, and it's not up to them what's open on the day you happen to be there. 6a: you can be in DEP for up to a year, so theoretically if you signed for a job tomorrow, you could ship anywhere from the next day to Feb 2017. The extremes are unlikely, but possible. The average these days seems to be about 4-6 months. __________________ Officers: making simple stuff hard since 1775 ACTIVE DUTY SAILORS - Click here to have your account verified

02-20-2016, 09:59 PM	#2
YN2(AW)Williams ActiveDuty Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 199 Rep Power: 134	The manning numbers are public record and can be found at http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-np.../Pages/IT.aspx Click the option labeled "Community Overview." The process goes like this: 1. Inquire about joining with recruiter, officer or enlisted. 2. Take ASVAB test. If you graduated from university in a technical field, you should have a pretty easy time with this. 3. Your ASVAB score will be used in conjunction with your MEPS physical to determine your academic and physical qualifications. For example I got a 99 on my ASVAB (highest possible) but the Navy considers me colorblind so I am disqualified from many jobs. 4. After your basic job eligibility is determined, they will begin a security screening process. At this stage no clearance is going to be granted or denied, they just need to look for items that might be concerning like owning property abroad, foreign investments, etc. This will slim down the remaining jobs available to what you can actually sign for. 5. After stages 1-5, you will meet with a detailer (NOT! your recruiter) who will begin the actual process of selecting a rate. I cannot stress enough that your recruiter has absolutely no control over your job. The detailer will tell you what you qualify for, what dates those jobs will ship out on, and if you need some help learning what they do they can explain it to you. Other than that, it is totally up to you at that point if you take one or walk. If you do select a job, you will sign a contract and swear in. 6. You will enter into "DEP" after signing for a job. This is a pseudo state where you are not technically in the Navy, but are expected to uphold the contract you signed. This period can last anywhere from a couple of weeks to several months until you actually leave for boot camp. In my case, it lasted from early February to mid-August of that same year. At any point in this process you are free to leave, all the way up until you leave for boot camp. If you decide that you do not like any of the jobs then it is absolutely your right, and no one can take that from you. However once you sign your contract at MEPS (when you select your job) you are expected to honor the contract. Once you selected a job, there were budgetary considerations numbering in the tens of thousands of dollars that were made, and if you back out after that it will mess up a lot of stuff for a lot of people. Plus it is just plain dishonorable. Once your DEP period is over, you will go back to MEPS one last time. You will do another physical, confirm your contract and terms, then swear in again. At that point, once you swear in the second time, you are in the Navy and all the legal consequences good and bad. Now you say that you are only interested in IT, but there are other jobs that are in the same field such as AECF-FC and CTN. There are any number of reasons you may get disqualified for a position, so be prepared with backup options just in case.

02-20-2016, 10:21 PM	#4
contigo26 Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 73 Rep Power: 12	Thank you for all the information, you guys are right, i should intend to have a backup. The reason i had in mind to choose specifically IT was that i was interested more in gearing towards computer systems, and network which i saw the IT had and the certifications they receive which led me to be interested. Anything that dealt with like let's say military radar, and others was not what I had in mind because I have gained a well understanding with what I learned in college, but yes i think i should consider having a backup because i would never know. But i appreciate all the help in making my decision to join and choose what i want to do. It's been about two months since i graduated from college, and its been rough filling applications to tons of businesses. I could have filled over 100+ and yet to hear from a select few of 2-3 and get screened and interviewed but never heard back, which made me feel that I lacked experience which led me to discover the Navy which was recommended by some friends, and what they can provide you.

02-20-2016, 11:41 PM	#5
YN2(AW)Williams ActiveDuty Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 199 Rep Power: 134	Definitely check out some officer programs, and also CTN. CTNs are the crypto-hackers and cyber defense for the military. With foreign contacts it will be tough to get that job, but would definitely be in line with what you are looking for. The Navy will also help arrange and pay for all your certs like Ethical Hacker and what not. AECF-FC are the guys who handle the fire control software for the missile systems on ships. A lot of networking remote systems and troubleshooting startup procedures.

02-22-2016, 11:07 AM	#9
CoolHandL Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 135 Rep Power: 39	I have never able to fully decipher Community Overview figures. What are EPA, WIP, and NV?