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Barbazu 07-31-2016 06:09 PM
I'm at Corry Station right now waiting to badge/class up. Corry is awesome! But the common story from absolutely everyone I've ran into is that JCAC is nearly impossible and to be prepared to fail. I've talked to three folks this week that have been rerated because they failed out of CTN school. It's gonna suck. Start studying now.

futuresailorCTN 07-31-2016 07:32 PM
JCAC isn't impossible by any means. A lot of times when someone is dropped, it's more due to poor study habits than an inability to understand the material. You just have to stay focused and make sure you're getting your work done and you'll be just fine. Also, when they say don't do stupid shit, they mean it. Underage drinking, etc. are great ways to lose your spot in JCAC.

blacktemplar 08-02-2016 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by futuresailorCTN (Post 58599)
JCAC isn't impossible by any means. A lot of times when someone is dropped, it's more due to poor study habits than an inability to understand the material. You just have to stay focused and make sure you're getting your work done and you'll be just fine. Also, when they say don't do stupid shit, they mean it. Underage drinking, etc. are great ways to lose your spot in JCAC.

This. I am a bright kid. I scored well on my ACTs, did well in school.
I was dropped from CTN school.
I just didn't study 'right'. I put the hours in.

hustini 08-09-2016 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by futuresailorCTN (Post 58599)
JCAC isn't impossible by any means. A lot of times when someone is dropped, it's more due to poor study habits than an inability to understand the material. You just have to stay focused and make sure you're getting your work done and you'll be just fine. Also, when they say don't do stupid shit, they mean it. Underage drinking, etc. are great ways to lose your spot in JCAC.
JCAC? Not sure what that is to be honest.

Barbazu 08-17-2016 05:10 PM
So, for all future JCAC students... I made it to Mod 2 and I'm probably getting dropped. CTN is difficult. They throw so much info at you that if you're not a super fast learner then you're screwed. My advice is to study up on logic and programming. Particularly C++. The programming part isn't that difficult (for me, anyway), but the logic stuff is ridiculous. There is a 40% drop out rate on the second mod. It's serious business.

FlyNavy 08-17-2016 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Barbazu (Post 58714)
So, for all future JCAC students... I made it to Mod 2 and I'm probably getting dropped. CTN is difficult. They throw so much info at you that if you're not a super fast learner then you're screwed. My advice is to study up on logic and programming. Particularly C++. The programming part isn't that difficult (for me, anyway), but the logic stuff is ridiculous. There is a 40% drop out rate on the second mod. It's serious business.
I'm sorry to hear that bud =/ Keep pushing if you're still in the class though. Don't give up!

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CTT1

IdeaGuy 08-18-2016 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Barbazu (Post 58714)
So, for all future JCAC students... I made it to Mod 2 and I'm probably getting dropped. CTN is difficult. They throw so much info at you that if you're not a super fast learner then you're screwed. My advice is to study up on logic and programming. Particularly C++. The programming part isn't that difficult (for me, anyway), but the logic stuff is ridiculous. There is a 40% drop out rate on the second mod. It's serious business.

I am a Software Developer, web development in particular. I didn't even
know C++ was still being used in the real world. I learned it in college
but soon realized that Garbage Collection Languages like C#/Java are
far easier and have just as much access to the hardware, I think.

I really don't know much about Networking though. I do know that I depend
on Microsoft Azure or Amazon Web Services or Google Cloud to defend the
software I write and deploy to their servers. I just assume if someone tried
to hack anything i made these companies have people far smarter than me
to defend the code. I really don't know much about networking though.

I do wonder why C++ is still being used by the Navy. Hmm. idk

FlyNavy 08-18-2016 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by IdeaGuy (Post 58719)

I do wonder why C++ is still being used by the Navy. Hmm. idk
C# and Java are great to know as well. But most serious exploit kits and malware today, at least at the high cyber crime and nation state level, are typically done in C/C++ and assembly.

Although I did see this Spanish dude at DEFCON made a really badass java botnet haha So it's not impossible.

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CTT1

hustini 08-25-2016 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Barbazu (Post 58714)
So, for all future JCAC students... I made it to Mod 2 and I'm probably getting dropped. CTN is difficult. They throw so much info at you that if you're not a super fast learner then you're screwed. My advice is to study up on logic and programming. Particularly C++. The programming part isn't that difficult (for me, anyway), but the logic stuff is ridiculous. There is a 40% drop out rate on the second mod. It's serious business.
Well I will be there in about 3 months. :D


Looking forward to the fight, though.

Ive been looking at Quizlet to see what kinds of terms they are getting into during the different mods. OBVIOUSLY I'm not assuming that quizlet is the end-all source for what JCAC is all about but it gives me a pretty good sense of what each module is going to cover.

lol i have a feeling some peeps have been busted posting some classified stuff on there

jabONE 08-30-2016 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by hustini (Post 58770)
Well I will be there in about 3 months. :D


Looking forward to the fight, though.

Ive been looking at Quizlet to see what kinds of terms they are getting into during the different mods. OBVIOUSLY I'm not assuming that quizlet is the end-all source for what JCAC is all about but it gives me a pretty good sense of what each module is going to cover.

lol i have a feeling some peeps have been busted posting some classified stuff on there
Most of the JCAC material is unclassified so it is not that people would get in trouble for posting classified info per se but more so that it could be looked at as cheating depending. They take cheating very seriously at JCAC and will academically suspend anyone even suspected of cheating whether there is credible proof or not until final determination is made. If theyou determine cheating took place then you are automatically dropped and potentially face administrative action which can result in getting kicked out of the Navy. At any rate, JCAC is hard but not impossible. I struggled for the first few mods, Mods 2-4. I double tapped Mod 2 and was fortunate enough to get a 2nd retest which I barely passed but once I got my study habits down better I was able to make it through with very little trouble. It is all about how well you take in information quickly and how well and how much you study. Discipline to making it through JCAC is the single biggest factor on whether anyone will make it or not, as everyone sent there has the aptitude for it.

Barbazu 08-30-2016 04:42 PM
Even though I double tapped Mod 2 and was sent packing I learned quickly that the source of classified info isn't in what you learn so much as what you're told about what CTNs actually do. With the exception of maybe two mods most of the material can be googled. However, when you're briefed on the inner workings of the rate you've stepped into classified stuffs. It's best if you just forget about it as soon as you walk out of the compound.

FlyNavy 08-31-2016 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Barbazu (Post 58790)
Even though I double tapped Mod 2 and was sent packing I learned quickly that the source of classified info isn't in what you learn so much as what you're told about what CTNs actually do. With the exception of maybe two mods most of the material can be googled. However, when you're briefed on the inner workings of the rate you've stepped into classified stuffs. It's best if you just forget about it as soon as you walk out of the compound.
You've only baaaaarely scratched the surface while you're training.
A-school is just the very basics you'll need to start learning the job.

But this isn't the place to be talking about what's classified, what's not, and why/why not.

Any news on where you're headed next?

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CTT1

Jdubbs 08-31-2016 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by hustini (Post 58542)
The point of meeting the detailer wasn't to "line" anything up from that point of view, its more to see what kinds of opportunities a Reserve CTN might have in the years to come, especially a new one plus answer any questions I might have.

I didn't elaborate clearly. Since I'm a Reserve, I do want something lined up be it military side or civilian side, I won't be picky but not being active duty I don't want to risk not having something full time when I'm done with training. I'm still learning how this works and I have a decent network pool to tap into in the DC/NOVA area to connect me with people for advice, not necessarily jobs.

A couple Reserve people (not CTNs ) I've spoken too, (also my recruiter) all claim I can begin applying to civilian jobs when I'm in A school since the process takes time and I can say I finally have a clearance, etc. That's why I want to have a chat with a detailer to see what options someone like me could potentially have. I don't like the idea of waiting until the end of A school to get my ducks in a row. That's just not me.


So towards the end of JCAC alot of your networking youll be able to do is with the instructors. Who are all ex military civilians working through contractors. If you show an extra aptitude in the course they are teaching.. or show extra interest in them.. you may get lined up with a meeting with one of the contracting companies that teach JCAC. I know all the reservists in my class all got jobs right out of JCAC working with those same contract companies. But wait till you get further on in the mods before you start trying to do that... there is more than a solid chance you will gt rolled back at least once. In a class of 18 only 8 finished in my class

Barbazu 09-02-2016 03:00 PM
CTT1, they rerated me to Personnel Specialist. I was really hoping for another intelligence rate, but those rates are packed right now. We have a ton of sailors here in holding awaiting orders. So, I wasn't too surprised when they offered me rates outside of intelligence. I took PS because I felt it best fit my skill set. Not exactly what I wanted, but it is what it is. I'm a reservist anyway. No matter what I picked I get to go home. I've been away from my family for almost 4 months, and frankly, I'm ready to see my wife and kids again. In two years I'll probably try to cross-rate into IS or possibly CTR if it's not overmanned by then. My roommate is CTR and it really seems like a badass rate. And, obviously, a little easier to get through than JCAC.

For those considering JCAC, don't let my experience scare you away. CTN is an amazing rate, and they do some really cool stuff. Just be ready to buckle down and work hard. It is doable. But I will say, don't expect to have a life outside of JCAC. That stuff drains the life out of you. Haha!

hustini 09-09-2016 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by jabONE (Post 58788)
Most of the JCAC material is unclassified so it is not that people would get in trouble for posting classified info per se but more so that it could be looked at as cheating depending. They take cheating very seriously at JCAC and will academically suspend anyone even suspected of cheating whether there is credible proof or not until final determination is made. If theyou determine cheating took place then you are automatically dropped and potentially face administrative action which can result in getting kicked out of the Navy. At any rate, JCAC is hard but not impossible. I struggled for the first few mods, Mods 2-4. I double tapped Mod 2 and was fortunate enough to get a 2nd retest which I barely passed but once I got my study habits down better I was able to make it through with very little trouble. It is all about how well you take in information quickly and how well and how much you study. Discipline to making it through JCAC is the single biggest factor on whether anyone will make it or not, as everyone sent there has the aptitude for it.
What kind of study habits did you get yourself into that allowed you to improve? I'm 33 so I won't be looking at getting into any trouble when I'm down there, those days are behind me. I'm more curious to know which study habits work best when the information coming in is like drinking from a fire hose.

futuresailorCTN 09-09-2016 12:09 PM
hustini, the best advice I can give is to work together with others in your class. Classes that study together stay together. In my class, we only dropped 2 of the original 16 (1 of which didn't want to be there anyway) and finished with an average GPA over 90. We always met up before tests to study together, and make sure that everyone was on track. Flashcards are also a really good idea for material-heavy sections. Also, take advantage of voluntary study time whenever possible, or if you feel like you're falling behind. Don't get too psyched out about the course, because trust me you'll hear plenty of horror stories from people once you make it to Florida. It's really just about how much work you put into it more than anything else.

FlyNavy 09-09-2016 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by futuresailorCTN (Post 58840)
hustini, the best advice I can give is to work together with others in your class. Classes that study together stay together. In my class, we only dropped 2 of the original 16 (1 of which didn't want to be there anyway) and finished with an average GPA over 90. We always met up before tests to study together, and make sure that everyone was on track. Flashcards are also a really good idea for material-heavy sections. Also, take advantage of voluntary study time whenever possible, or if you feel like you're falling behind. Don't get too psyched out about the course, because trust me you'll hear plenty of horror stories from people once you make it to Florida. It's really just about how much work you put into it more than anything else.
ONE TEAM, ONE FIGHT!!

This is EXACTLY the kind of mentality I look for in junior sailors. Outstanding; keep it up and way to help bring up those around you!!

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CTT1

Jeff 09-13-2016 12:52 PM
Just back from JCAC. Yes, its tough. Make sure your class studies together, hangs out together. Our class actually graduated all of its NAVY with honors!! we would go to mand/volo everyday, we'd all eat and hang out and run errands with eachother. our sister class had a bunch of in-fighting and several people rolled out of there.. Those who passed, started to hang out with our class and did better. That being said, I studied 6 days a week. (never Saturday, you still need at least 1 day to decompress) before JCAC i knew next to nothing about computers, they will give you a laptop to use during your time there, make use of it. check out codecademy and practice some commands. Its an intense, but fulfilling a-school. and enjoy the beach at least once =)


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