Ask A Spook! Cryptologic Questions

[FlyNavy]

Hey all!

I wanted to offer help to any CT deppers that are coming in. I've got experience with both shore and sea duties as a CT, so if you have any questions feel free to ask!

(Obviously all correspondence will be unclassified)

You may need to find the last page of this thread, as that's where the most recent posts can be found at.


Respectfully,
CTT1

[futureSPOOK32]

Hello, I've been wondering about how the schedule during a-school goes, generally speaking. Any help is appreciated!

[jody13]

My daughter leaves Sept 8 also. She's a ctt

[FlyNavy]

Jody, first off to your daughter; good choice ;) haha (I'll admit I'm kind of partial to us T branchers)

FutureSPOOK32; Your time at A-school will be different depending on what branch of CT you are going into (CTT, CTR, ect). You can always check on places like usmilitary.about.com and they can give you a rough estimate of length. Add on to that a few weeks for being in holding (before you class/badge up). Let me know what branch of CT you're going into and I can give you a rough idea of what your A-School will be like.

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[FlyNavy]

I forgot to add that Corry Station in Pensacola is probably the best A-School location in the entire Navy haha So there's that to look forward to as well!

[futureSPOOK32]

I'll be a CTR, I visited Correy station a few weeks back and it seemed really nice, I think I'll really enjoy my time outside the classroom. Also their recreational facilities are awesome.

[lilyputian]

CTT1 Griffin,

First off thank you for offering up your knowledge and experience to us future sailors. It's much appreciated.

I was wondering if you have any input on CTI. My friend said it was a horrible job and that you're locked in a room by yourself because it's so Top Secret, but it sounds to me like she might be exaggerating just a wee bit. Do you have any thoughts on that?

(Also are you related to a Tony Griffin who was also in the Navy, by any chance, who just got married to a woman with the first initial of K.?)

Thanks again,
Future Sailor Hwang

[FlyNavy]

Hwang,

Anytime! I love helping out future Spooks.

CTI's are the Navy's linguists. You have to take the DLAB to qualify ahead of time, so just a heads up there. But you'll be spending alot of time working in the intelligence field overall as well as being the language expert for whatever mission you're working on.

After Boot Camp you'll head to A-School in Monterey, CA. They are the only CT branch that doesn't go to Pensacola. During your time there you'll be learning whatever language you choose (Farsi, Chinese, Russian, Urdu, ect) Really it depends on the language on how long you're there for. The harder the language obviously the longer you'll have to stay there. But by the end of it you should be able to read, write, and speak whatever you went there for.

As for assignments, the vast majority of CTI's go to NIOCs (Navy Information Operations Command). I'm sure you've noticed that didn't start with "USS" haha So as you can tell, most of your time will be spent on shore duty assignments. There are some opportunities for linguists to get on Aircrew or direct support to ships or subs as well though, if your looking for something more adventurous.

As for being "locked in a room" due to our work being classified, that is not at all accurate. We DO work in classified facilities that have very strict security policies, but you would be working with almost every other CT branch as well as other services. Every CT branch does highly classified work, but once your inside the secure facility, typically it's not toooo segregated. The only time you would be moved off separate somewhere would be if you're working a pretty sensitive mission (and that is pretty rare and usually requires alot of experience before you would get moved there). If you do end up taking orders for Aircrew or as direct support to ships or subs, that would be one of the times you're segregated from most folks. Mostly just due to the fact that your workspace needs a security clearance that most of the other people there won't have. But outside of your workspace, you would be with the rest of the crew.

Hope that sheds some light on CTI! It's a pretty rewarding job if you like getting into a specific culture and it does offer some really cool opportunities if you're willing to go after them.

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[FlyNavy]

Also, no I'm not related to a Tony haha

[lilyputian]

Wow, thank you so much for all the info! I'm glad to know my BS meter is still intact. It was definitely going off when my friend was telling me the reasons I shouldn't go for CTI. It sounds perfect for me since I'm not super thrilled about the idea of being at sea (though of course I wouldn't mind, since I obviously voluntarily selected the Navy).

[coopdeville]

I've read as a CTT you can volunteer for Aircrew. How does that process work and did you ever think about doing it? So you know much about CTR? Boring, exciting, cool? Any of those things?

[FlyNavy]

coopdeville:

As a T brancher you can absolutely volunteer for Aircrew. A few shipmates of mine went that route and they absolutely love it. You would request it either from the detailer or someone at the schoolhouse while you're in A-School.

As for CTR, the main difference between our rates is that CTT's focus on Electronic Intelligence (ELINT, AKA radars on ships, subs, aircraft, and missiles) where CTR's are more focused on Communications Intelligence (COMINT, radios and such). Both play HUGE roles in the intelligence community. I would say CTR's have a bit more flexibility in terms of different kinds of possible billets they can take, but if you're looking at aircrew, CTT would be the way to go. The only reason I say this is because as a CTT you would actually be part of the squadron whereas a CTR just shows up to fly when they're needed and aren't attached to the squadron fulltime.

Hope that helps and let me know if you need anything else!

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[Haasino]

Just to piggyback on the CTT aircrew question... if you pick up orders, you'll have to attend Naval Aircrew Candidate School in Pensacola, and SERE in either Maine or San Diego. Take a look at what's in store for both those schools to make sure you're up for the physical and swimming requirements.

[coopdeville]

I love that you have to go to SERE and NACCS to become Aircrew. I'm currently at 8:40 in the 500m, 67 push ups, 81 sit ups and 6 pull ups. I've been working my booty off in the off chance I have the opportunity for Aircrew, or CTR and volunteer for it. I want to be more than ready if the chance presents itself.

I first met with my recruiter in March weighing 217 and I could barely knock out 25 push up and sit-ups. I'm now down to 190 with the numbers previously mentioned. I'm taking my opportunity to join the Navy very seriously and I can't wait to serve.

[FlyNavy]

Coop;

GOOD! I knew a guy with a VERY similar story. He wasn't in shape at all before he joined and by the time both of us hit the fleet, that dude was a BEAST (oh and he obviously passed Aircrew school with flying colors)

If you want it bad enough then you'll put the work in to get it. It doesn't sound like that's a hard thing for you to wrap your head around. I'm sure you'll do great, just keep it up.

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[jody13]

Hi ctt1.. its jody 13. I mentioned last week that my daughter is a ctt. She leaves Sept 8. I've read everything I could find about the rate on the whole internet. Not much out there. I guess because it's mostly secret. Is there anything u can say about it. It seems interesting. Will she mostly be at sea. Any certain ship more than another. I would love any info. Thanks

[FlyNavy]

Jody;

First of all, congratulations again to your daughter for deciding to join the World's Finest Navy (and picking a badass rate as well!)

As CTT's we are responsible for a whole range of activities both ashore and afloat. Afloat we work everything from battlespace awareness (ie, find and watch the bad guys before they find us), Anti-Ship Missile Defense (ASMD), and everything that encompasses Electronic Warfare. On the shore duty side we work in national intelligence positions that work to help support Navy and national missions. Where your daughter gets stationed (ship or shore) will mostly just depend on the needs of the Navy at the time she is picking orders.

As far as certain ships, pretty much every combat ship in the fleet has CTTs onboard. DDGs, CGs, LHD, CVN, you name it and we're probably there in some form or fashion. The great thing about that fact is that CTTs have a serious opportunity to see the world due to the fact we can go almost anywhere the Navy can take you.

Another thing you should keep in mind however is the highly classified nature of our work. Your daughter won't be able to discuss what she does on a daily basis, where she might be going during deployments, or what shes learning about in class. But even without all the specifics, she'll still be able to share most of her Navy career with you, so don't worry. Just be mindful of what you're putting out there on facebook or social media about where and what your daughter is doing. The old saying "Loose lips sink ships" is just as true today than it ever was. Now that your daughter is entering the military and the intelligence community, it becomes a whole family effort to maintain OPSEC (Operational Security/Do some google searches on that one).

Hope that helps some! Let me know if you have further questions. I'll try to go deeper into detain on specifics if I can (obviously just the unclassified stuff)

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[triggz710]

Any input on CTN?

[FlyNavy]

Trigz;

CTN's are the Navy's Cyber Warfare and Security experts. If you're into Cyber Security, then this is the rate for you. Keep in mind however that this rating requires a Top Secret security clearance. So talk to your recruiter and make sure this is something you're comfortable/able to apply for.

CTN's, like almost all the other CT branches will attend A-school at Corry Station in Pensacola, Florida (Best A-school location in the Navy if you ask me). You will go through a program known as JCAC, which from what I hear is quite challenging. It's not impossible to pass, but it's not something you breeze through. After A-school, some Sailors will head to further schools (C-schools) while others go to the Fleet.

As a whole, CTN's are mostly a shore-based rate. You will work in large faculties that support intelligence and security objectives in the Cyber realm. There are a few chances to get aboard ships for things like security audits on Navy networks, but for the most part you're going to be a shore-based Sailor. Even if you aren't going to sea however, you're still going to be plenty engaged doing some badass stuff (obviously nothing that can be discussed here). Overall, I have yet to meet a CTN that didn't waste an opportunity to tell me how much they loved their job.

I do want to add a something to the whole majority shore duty thing though. There ARE opportunities to do some badass stuff as a CT in Spec-Ops, and that would be in TIO. One of the admins left a good little post up about TIO if a desk job just isn't enough for you (see URL below). Keep in mind though that information on this program will be scarce, as everything TIO does is highly classified. And also realize that you're going to be held to the same physical standards that other Spec-Ops guys are. Below is the URL for that post.
http://www.navydep.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2049

Hopefully that sheds a little bit of light on the rating for ya! Let me know if you have further questions.

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[FlyNavy]

I also forgot to add how insanely marketable CTN Sailors are after their military service. Those guys rack up a TON of Cyber Security experience as well as all kinds of certifications. Finding a job after the Navy is not a problem at all for these guys.

So if a 20-year Navy career isn't in the cards for you, at least you would be on a great track for your civilian career afterwards!

[FlyNavy]

Glad to see some future spooks staying proactive! I was a little unsure on what the response to this thread would be.


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[triggz710]

Thank you. I'm already in DEP, leaving in October. The only thing that worries me about my rate is that it seems to have limited travel opportunities. But I'll take advantage of whichever ones do come my way.

[FlyNavy]

Thank you. I'm already in DEP, leaving in October. The only thing that worries me about my rate is that it seems to have limited travel opportunities. But I'll take advantage of whichever ones do come my way.

It's true the CTNs do travel a bit less than the other rates, but you guys get to get hands on some with some seriously badass stuff (that 95% of the Navy will have no idea about). I really think you're going to enjoy it.

[JoeSpook]

I just passed my DLAB with a 128 and switched from a MC contract to CTI, which is what I originally wanted. Thank you for all of this info! I have one quick question, as someone who is new to all of this:


There are some opportunities for linguists to get on Aircrew or direct support to ships or subs as well though, if your looking for something more adventurous.


Can you elaborate on this? From my understanding, direct support means flying out to a ship or sub to do some work for a few weeks, then transferring to another ship or getting sent back home. I've also been warned that I could be sent out with a group of Marines as an interpreter, based on my language.

How do out-of-office missions work? Is that what you refer to as "billets?" Do you sign up for particular missions or DIRSUP activity on an individual basis? I'm just trying to piece it all together.

Again, thank you!

[FlyNavy]

I just passed my DLAB with a 128 and switched from a MC contract to CTI, which is what I originally wanted. Thank you for all of this info! I have one quick question, as someone who is new to all of this:



Can you elaborate on this? From my understanding, direct support means flying out to a ship or sub to do some work for a few weeks, then transferring to another ship or getting sent back home. I've also been warned that I could be sent out with a group of Marines as an interpreter, based on my language.

How do out-of-office missions work? Is that what you refer to as "billets?" Do you sign up for particular missions or DIRSUP activity on an individual basis? I'm just trying to piece it all together.

Again, thank you!

jbarnosky;

You're pretty much spot on with what DIRSUP (Direct Support) entails. You would be stationed at a shore site but you would go to sea (or go fly) based on mission requirements of the fleet. Typically they would just have you on station during the times you would actually be needed and then send you back home once your part of the mission is done.

As far as what a billet is, that's basically what you're referring to when you say "orders". When you receive orders you going there to fill a billet. Think of a billet like a position within that group. For example if a ship needed an IT1, there would be a billet made there that an IT1 could come fill.

To go DIRSUP would you need to get orders to a specific shop that does DIRSUP work. For ships and subs I'm not sure if CTIs need extra schools or not, but for everyone that wants to go Aircrew they have to attend Aircrew school in Pensacola as well as SERE. Once you finish A-school this is all stuff you would talk to your schoolhouse and the detailer about.

And about you going out with Marines? I think you have some bad information from someone. The Marines have their own linguists. Although if you do want to go boots on ground, there are CTI specific opportunities to do that through the TIO (Spec Ops/NSW) program. But worry about that after you get through A-school and everything haha NSW (Naval Special Warfare) usually only takes guys with some experience under their belts.

Hopefully that clears some things up! Let me know if you have any more questions and hopefully we can be welcoming you into our spooky brotherhood soon!

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[JoeSpook]

Thank you, CTT1 Griffin!

It was actually an active-duty Marine who called me (our wives are good friends) when he found out I was joining the Navy, warning me that they borrow Navy people for all sorts of things. He may have been referring to World Language Specialists, though... we didn't get to talk very long, so I'm a little unclear on what exactly his reservations were.

I'm cool with Pensacola, and honestly I was (mentally) prepared for SERE when I was contemplating the Air Force's "Airborne Linguist" job. I'm not trying to sound BA by any means, but really I don't understand what everyone's big fuss about this job is. I'm excited to tackle all of the new challenges. This is like signing up for a marathon: training is going to be hard as hell, but I can't wait to see the man I've become at the end of it all.

Again, many thanks! I'll be spooking about before too long.

[FlyNavy]

J,

The Marines love to borrow Sailors for all kinds of things. But I think your buddy is a little ill-informed. Taking a Navy linguist would be a last resort for them, as the MC has its own language MOS as well as a small army of contractors that specialize in various languages.

[jody13]

Hi ctt1
Thanks so much for the info. Ur so awesome for all the info u give everyone. I'm so excited for my daughter. Her decision to join the Navy came out of no where. She's a maui girl and it seemed scarey at first but I'm really happy she will serve our great country and do something unique. She wants me to join with her. Lol. Will this rate provide her opportunities after her 4 years if she doesn't continue in the Navy. Her uncle works as a civilian for the Navy but had a different rate. Can she become an officer later on without a degree. . Thanks again..jody

[FlyNavy]

Hi ctt1
Thanks so much for the info. Ur so awesome for all the info u give everyone. I'm so excited for my daughter. Her decision to join the Navy came out of no where. She's a maui girl and it seemed scarey at first but I'm really happy she will serve our great country and do something unique. She wants me to join with her. Lol. Will this rate provide her opportunities after her 4 years if she doesn't continue in the Navy. Her uncle works as a civilian for the Navy but had a different rate. Can she become an officer later on without a degree. . Thanks again..jody

Jody,

Any branch of CT is in great position to obtain a federal job after their service. Our security clearance alone can be worth $50,000 to $100,000 to a potential employer (as in, they won't have to pay that much for a civilian to obtain a clearance). So yes, job prospects shouldn't be too hard.

As far as becoming an officer without a degree? The only ways that happen are if she were to go Limited Duty Officer (LDO) or Chief Warrant Officer (CWO). Both of which however require years and experience as a sailor (CWO specifically you have to make Chief before you're eligible). These would be moves she would be making around the 10-13 year mark in the Navy (each Sailor is different however)

NAVPERS15627-A and OPNAVINST 1420.1B both give an overview of what these programs entail.

[FlyNavy]

Where are my future Spooks?!

[jody13]

Hi ctt1.. Thanks again. .I guess I'm getting ahead of myself about the officer question. I looked on the ship date schedule and there's only 3 for the year on this site going in as a ctt. . From my investigation on line the past few months there aren't too many of u spooks. . How long have u been in the Navy. . Its it true if the kid gets stationed in the east coast that would take her to Europe. She's panicking that she'll get stationed in Hawaii. . Lol. . She's trying to leave here. And doesn't really want to go to Asia. .

[FlyNavy]

Hi ctt1.. Thanks again. .I guess I'm getting ahead of myself about the officer question. I looked on the ship date schedule and there's only 3 for the year on this site going in as a ctt. . From my investigation on line the past few months there aren't too many of u spooks. . How long have u been in the Navy. . Its it true if the kid gets stationed in the east coast that would take her to Europe. She's panicking that she'll get stationed in Hawaii. . Lol. . She's trying to leave here. And doesn't really want to go to Asia. .

Jody,

As far as going to Europe, you're correct in assuming that the East Coast fleet is what will take you there. There are also ships stationed in Rota, Spain (DDGs), so I would try and see if she can request orders over there if Europe is something shes's really interested in. And even if she doesn't get everything she wants on that first tour, you can always pick shore duty in Europe after you wrap up your first sea tour.

I wouldn't stress about getting sent to Hawaii if she's not trying to get it though. It doesn't have as many surface ships as the other bases and there's also a few thousand sailors who would love to take those orders if she doesn't. They aren't exactly hurting for people over there haha

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[FlyNavy]

Reposting for visibility purposes.

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[jr805]

Any info on ctm? that's the rate i'm seriously interested in.

[FlyNavy]

Any info on ctm? that's the rate i'm seriously interested in.

I'm gonna steal a nice little blurb from another Spook on here since it's already all nice and pretty looking.

Before that though, keep in mind that CTM is a very small rate. There are very few of them in the fleet. If being technical and getting into the gear is something you're really interested in then also take a look into being a Tech as a CTT (theres a difference between operators and techs). You just want to keep your options open in case CTM is locked up (again, due to its small size).
There's still plenty of opportunity to get your hands dirty in the gear and still get to operate it as a T-brancher. The equipment CTM's work on is operated by CTR's (M-branchers just fix and maintain it). So there's that as well.

Anyway, read below...

CTM -
The Cryptologic Technician Maintenance branch offers a career in the installation, configuration, diagnosis, and repair of state-of-the-art electronic, computer, and network hardware and software systems.




The duties performed by CTMs include:
perform hardware and software isolation and repair of state-of-the-art electronic, computer and network equipment and related systems using complex test and analysis equipment, diagnostic software, hand tools and technical publications;
perform computer and electronic system hardware and software installation, configuration and modification;
analyze the configuration and monitor the operation of computer telecommunications and networking systems;
calibrate and repair a wide variety of precision electronic test equipment;
perform information security and computer network defense functions for secure networks and communication systems;
maintain fleet cryptologic permanent and carry-on direct support systems required in special land, sea surface and subsurface operations.
Working Environment

CTM are assigned to equipment installation activities, electronic maintenance, and computer networking system departments and divisions. They may be assigned to either day work or shift work in a large facility or one of the individual or two-person independent duty assignments at sea or ashore. Departments and divisions are usually divided into specialized maintenance shops and are normally air-conditioned, well-lighted, and completely equipped.




A-School (Job School) Information
Corry Station, FL -- 121 calendar days
Security Clearance Requirement: Top Secret (Single Scope Background Investigation Required)





Other Requirements
Must have normal hearing
Must have normal color perception
72 month enlistment obligation
Must be a U.S. Citizen
Immediate family members must be U.S. Citizens
Moral turpitude offense(s) are generally disqualifying
Personal security screening interview required
Former members of the Peace Corps are not eligible
Candidates must be a high school graduate or equivalent (GED, CPT, home study or other equivalency). If not a diploma graduate, applicant must provide a high school transcript verifying successful completion of the 10th grade.
Sea/Shore Rotation for This Rating
First Sea Tour: 48 months
First Shore Tour: 36 months
Second Sea Tour: 36months
Second Shore Tour: 36 months
Third Sea Tour: 36 months
Third Shore Tour: 48 months
Fourth Sea Tour: 36 months
Forth Shore Tour: 48 months
CTM's are detailed according to billet and relief availability. Most PCS afloat tours are 48 months for those with NECS of 9224, 9225, and 9289. CTM 9229 requires 60 months of sea duty obligation following initial skills training.

[jr805]

I'll have to read up on that aspect of CTT, I havent really gave it much thought, CTR and CTM are my first choices, Have you had much experience with any people in IS rates?

[FlyNavy]

I'll have to read up on that aspect of CTT, I havent really gave it much thought, CTR and CTM are my first choices, Have you had much experience with any people in IS rates?

About CTR/CTM, just remember this...
CTR's operate the gear.
CTM's fix and maintain it.
As we say in the fleet: "choose your rate, choose your fate"

While the CT community covers the Signals Intelligence (SIGINT) side of the house, IS's cover the more traditional intelligence side. These guys work mostly on shore sites, but there are a few attached to ships as well. They'll cover mostly what we call "All-source" intelligence. They get the big picture of things like historical trends in the area, politics, ect. Think of it kind of like a jack of all trades/master of none. IS's also do a lot of briefs for various folks as well. So keep in mind that power point and public speaking can play a big role in their career.

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[FlyNavy]

Seeing a lot of CT-related questions both on the chat and in my inbox.

Let me know what you guys want to find out!

(PS you may need to check if this becomes multiple pages, as the newest posts are actually at the bottom)

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[LT Guppy]

Seeing a lot of CT-related questions both on the chat and in my inbox.

Let me know what you guys want to find out!

(PS you may need to check if this becomes multiple pages, as the newest posts are actually at the bottom)

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Or click the little red down arrow to jump to the last unread post :)

[FlyNavy]

Or click the little red down arrow to jump to the last unread post :)


You and your fancy education ;)

Just kidding, Ma'am!! Thanks for the heads up haha

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[LT Guppy]

You and your fancy education ;)

Just kidding, Ma'am!! Thanks for the heads up haha

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That's what they pay me the big bucks for :What:

[FlyNavy]

That's what they pay me the big bucks for :What:

Hey now, that's my line!!

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[CTR3(IW/SG) Freddie]

What degree would you recommend to compliment a CTR to better himself for a civilian job?

[FlyNavy]

What degree would you recommend to compliment a CTR to better himself for a civilian job?

It depends on what you want to do as a civillian. If you want to stay within that CTR type of role, then you're going to be looking pretty much at federal work. So specializing in any kind of electronics (understand further how comms equipment works) or even going into networking or computer engineering would be a big plus. The biggest plus for you though will be having a clearance already and having intelligence experience. The degree will just be a formality mostly unless you plan on doing something super specific.

If you're going to do something else then really all you need is something oriented to your new field.

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[CTR3(IW/SG) Freddie]

How often do you get requests to leave the navy to join a civilian job. My recruiter talks about head hunters that go after people in the navy that have security clearances and different types of qualifications like they are a monthly thing.

[FlyNavy]

How often do you get requests to leave the navy to join a civilian job. My recruiter talks about head hunters that go after people in the navy that have security clearances and different types of qualifications like they are a monthly thing.

It depends where you work. If you're at a shore site that you're constantly surrounded by civilian contractors, then its fairly common as you come up on the end of your contract. Since these are the guys you've been working with anyway, it makes sense for those companies to do that rather than hire and train someone new.

If you're on a ship or at a squadron, then typically you will need to go looking for them, as you have less civilian exposure.

There are plenty of places online to put your resume though if you're looking for a job that requires clearance. Those are great places to look as well as just using your own network of contacts that you'll pick up.

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[CTR3(IW/SG) Freddie]

Are the salaries they offer competitive?

[FlyNavy]

Are the salaries they offer competitive?

Contractor jobs pay pretty well depending on what you're doing. Don't expect something ridiculous like 6 figures to start off or anything. But having military experience and a clearance, then going contractor, and working your way up (like a normal civilian company) can end up paying quite a bit after a few years on the job. It only goes up the longer you stay and the more experience and qualifications you have.

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[jody13]

Hi ctt1.. My daughter got in trouble the other day at a meeting for using the term spook. . Kinda strange because everyone uses it? ?? She's leaving in 27 days. I'm freaking out. Should I go to Chicago for graduation. .I don't know how to plan to see her. . Hawaii is so far away. It's not easy or cheap to make lady minute plans. . Do they tell her things ahead of time enough for me to plan. Thanks again, jody 13

[CTR3(IW/SG) Freddie]

Is it easy or hard to make rate in the CTR field? In theory, if people are constantly getting contractor jobs, wouldn't that make it easier because it frees up spots? Or does it just not work out like that?

[LT Guppy]

Hi ctt1.. My daughter got in trouble the other day at a meeting for using the term spook. . Kinda strange because everyone uses it? ?? She's leaving in 27 days. I'm freaking out. Should I go to Chicago for graduation. .I don't know how to plan to see her. . Hawaii is so far away. It's not easy or cheap to make lady minute plans. . Do they tell her things ahead of time enough for me to plan. Thanks again, jody 13

Graduation is pretty great. But you may get to spend more time with her if you go visit at her A-School for a long weekend. I'd leave that one up to her; would she rather you see her graduate (in person, there is a live-stream online) and spend a couple hours with you or spend a couple days with you a couple weeks later?

[CTR3(IW/SG) Freddie]

Is it easy or hard to make rate in the CTR field? In theory, if people are constantly getting contractor jobs, wouldn't that make it easier because it frees up spots? Or does it just not work out like that?

gonna quote that in case you missed it since there was another page made.


But I also have another question. If I volunteer for sub duty, will that help my 'resume' when trying to make rate? Especially chief and above? Or when it comes down to it does it not really matter. I really don't want to be in a sub, but i'll do what ever it takes.


And I know a lot of my questions so far have been the best way to get rated higher, and I shouldn't be worrying to much about it. But my main goal is to become a Warrant Officer. And my recruiter has a little plaque that says a goal without a plan is just a wish. So I'm trying to get a feel of what I NEED to do to help me achieve this. A Warrant Officer may be tough to get, so I'm even happy with just chief. But I still want to try for that Warrant Officer.

[LT Guppy]

But I also have another question. If I volunteer for sub duty, will that help my 'resume' when trying to make rate? Especially chief and above? Or when it comes down to it does it not really matter. I really don't want to be in a sub, but i'll do what ever it takes.




My RDC was a CTICS(SW/SG). Basically, the SG is a sub warfare pin, but instead of the usual SS pin (dolphins), the SG pin means that you're "Qualified in submarines; not detailed by the submarine community."

I don't know a whole lot about it, but it's something worth looking into.

[jody13]

Hi Guppy. .its a little far to go to graduation from Hawaii but I wouldn't want to miss it. Also we have family near Pensacola. . That's where she goes for school. So I will definately see her there too...I guess the question is does she get information on dates in a timely manner so I can plan and make air plane ticketsfor grad and time off after a school. . Thanks, jody13

[FlyNavy]

Hi ctt1.. My daughter got in trouble the other day at a meeting for using the term spook. . Kinda strange because everyone uses it? ?? She's leaving in 27 days. I'm freaking out. Should I go to Chicago for graduation. .I don't know how to plan to see her. . Hawaii is so far away. It's not easy or cheap to make lady minute plans. . Do they tell her things ahead of time enough for me to plan. Thanks again, jody 13

Jody,
I'm not really sure I see the issue in using that term. Although he might be getting after her since she hasn't actually earned the title yet. That I could see. As far as graduation, it's something you should try to make it there for. It's great seeing family after boot camp and you'll get to spend some time with her before she heads off to Pensacola. I highly recommend making the trip if you're able.

Is it easy or hard to make rate in the CTR field? In theory, if people are constantly getting contractor jobs, wouldn't that make it easier because it frees up spots? Or does it just not work out like that?

Not everybody leaves for contractor jobs. The Navy over the last few years has been seeing record high retention numbers. That being said though, making rate as a CT is typically easier than most other rates. You'll get PO3 pretty fast, but PO2 and PO1 both are going to require some work and a few years. But overall we CT types rank up faster that most.

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[FlyNavy]

Sorry for being late on the response folks! Busy week so far...

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[FlyNavy]

A Warrant Officer may be tough to get, so I'm even happy with just chief. But I still want to try for that Warrant Officer.

Training moment here...
Don't ever let anyone here you say "just Chief". Earning your Anchors is a HUGE milestone in a Sailors career and the Chiefs mess is one of the tightest knit groups in the military. You'll understand more once you're in for a bit, but being a Chief in the Navy is VASTLY different than being an E-7 in the other services. Trust me, I work with other services all the time and it's not even comparable.

That being said, I applaud you for having a plan for your goals! Just keep in mind that making Warrant is something that could take 10+ years. So buckle down for the long haul. It's great that you're already looking ahead though!

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[CTR3(IW/SG) Freddie]

Thanks again Griffin. Always have some wise words to say. But yea unless someone can offer me a job that has great pay and is reliable, then I probably will stay Navy for the 20 years. From what I heard you have to have 14 years in the Navy and be Chief before you can even start thinking about WO.

[FlyNavy]

Thanks again Griffin. Always have some wise words to say. But yea unless someone can offer me a job that has great pay and is reliable, then I probably will stay Navy for the 20 years. From what I heard you have to have 14 years in the Navy and be Chief before you can even start thinking about WO.

Once you make Chief you can start applying for WO. The 14 year thing isn't a requirement. You just have to be a Chief to start the process.

Becoming a CPO is a pretty big hurdle in it's own right though. It's much more difficult than making Petty Officer.

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[CTR3(IW/SG) Freddie]

How much traveling is done by CTR's usually? Do they have more shore duties then othe sailors? Over seas or states side? Out on deployments more or less then the average sailor?



Edit: Also, would a computer science degree possibly a good degree to have later on?

[FlyNavy]

How much traveling is done by CTR's usually? Do they have more shore duties then othe sailors? Over seas or states side? Out on deployments more or less then the average sailor?



Edit: Also, would a computer science degree possibly a good degree to have later on?

CTRs travel just as much as any other rate really. If you're on a ship then you're going everywhere the ship goes, just like everyone else. No matter where you go you're going to be part of a unit. So you're going to be doing everything else that they're doing, when they're doing it. If the ship is getting underway for a week, you're getting underway for a week. Catch my drift?

Sea/Shore rotation is typically 4yrs sea duty/3yrs shore. Although that changes after you've been in for a while (years down the road), just wrap your head around going to a sea command (aka a deployable command) for your first tour. In rare cases some Sailors are assigned shore duty right off the bat, but this is the exception and not the standard.

CS is a great degree to have if you're going into a technical field!

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[isf215]

Hey CTT1(SW)Griffin,

I've heard a few different things about CTI's and getting stationed. I've heard that they don't go by the typical sea/shore duty, but CONUS/OCONUS duty. If you could, would you be able to elaborate a little more on that?

Thanks

[FlyNavy]

Hey CTT1(SW)Griffin,

I've heard a few different things about CTI's and getting stationed. I've heard that they don't go by the typical sea/shore duty, but CONUS/OCONUS duty. If you could, would you be able to elaborate a little more on that?

Thanks

CTIs are heavily shore based. You can get direct support jobs to go out and support deployed assets overseas, but for the most part they work out of NIOCs that are state side. The further along you get in your career and the more experience you have though, the more different opportunities for unique jobs or travel will come your way.

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[CTR3(IW/SG) Freddie]

Usually how long does it take to class up for CTR? And on average what is the class size?

[FlyNavy]

Usually how long does it take to class up for CTR? And on average what is the class size?

Classing up depends on how long it takes you to badge up (get clearance finalized and get INDOC'd for your security badge), as well as how many people are waiting for the class before you get there. It could be anywhere from a month to 3 months. It really just depends on the sailor and when you get there.

I wont discuss specifics about how many people work in the SCIF (students included) but the class size is average. It's enough to where if you need personal help you'll be able to get it.

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[CTR3(IW/SG) Freddie]

Well shit. i thought i would be there a couple weeks at most before class started. What do we do until class starts?

[FlyNavy]

Well shit. i thought i would be there a couple weeks at most before class started. What do we do until class starts?

You gotta keep in mind that there is only 1 CTR A-school... For everyone... In the entire DoD... haha So that's why sometimes it can take a bit. Also, your TS investigation sometimes hits a snag and that can delay it too.

While you're waiting to class/badge up, you'll be in whats called "Holding". It's a pretty large group of people all either waiting for class (all CT rates are there) or people waiting to leave after they've finished school. In holding you're given a job around base either cleaning up, maintaining something, running paperwork, ect. Basically you just help the base function while you're awaiting class. It's super easy so don't worry too much about it.

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[FlyNavy]

Bumped for questions

[corymaloy]

I'm hoping to get ctn, but I'm wondering about duty stations. How common is it for a ctn to get Hawaii? I would love to live there again. Also do you know if ctns get to do any programming? I have the majority of a cs degree finished and would like to keep improving my coding skills!:chicken:

[Auridan]

Soooo, CTT1...are y'all looking for cross raters? In a year and a half, say? >_>

[FlyNavy]

Soooo, CTT1...are y'all looking for cross raters? In a year and a half, say? >_>

Right now the rates extremely full; last I checked we weren't taking convert-ins. Although it's the Navy, and who knows what it'll be next month or even tomorrow. Your best bet would be checking into it when you're ready to make a move. Since we are at the peak now it would make sense that in a year or so there could be some room as we shave off some numbers over the next FY or 2.

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[USNAVYCASTRO]

Hey new to the forum, quick questions, I was extremely interested on becoming a CTI I already know Spanish pretty fluently and French at a beginner level, but I was also along the lines of CTT because I hear it's an excellent career choice. I was mostly wondering what type of algebra would be necessary to know in order to become one of the two, and any ways to study up before hand. Thanks in advance.

[isf215]

Hey new to the forum, quick questions, I was extremely interested on becoming a CTI I already know Spanish pretty fluently and French at a beginner level, but I was also along the lines of CTT because I hear it's an excellent career choice. I was mostly wondering what type of algebra would be necessary to know in order to become one of the two, and any ways to study up before hand. Thanks in advance.

Knowing Spanish and a little bit of French is good and will help you out a lot. To qualify to become a CTI you need to score a 110 on the DLAB, (I think that's what it's at now, but don't quote me on the number), and you take that at MEPS as a separate test after the ASVAB.

http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/enlisted/community/crypto_it/Pages/CTI.aspx

http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/enlisted/community/crypto_it/Pages/CTT.aspx

This site has the qualifications and scores for the ASVAB for becoming a CTI and a CTT. It's mostly just basic math that you learned in high school, nothing too hard.


Hope this helps

[FlyNavy]

Hey new to the forum, quick questions, I was extremely interested on becoming a CTI I already know Spanish pretty fluently and French at a beginner level, but I was also along the lines of CTT because I hear it's an excellent career choice. I was mostly wondering what type of algebra would be necessary to know in order to become one of the two, and any ways to study up before hand. Thanks in advance.

Like the post above me states, having some language skills beforehand is a definite plus. The only algebra you're going to need is for the ASVAB though, so don't stress to much about that.

The best thing you can do at this point is study up for the ASVAB (there are a TON of books out there to help). As far as I'm aware there really isn't a way to study for the DLAB. So just get solid on the basics and you'll be on a good path!

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[USNAVYCASTRO]

Thanks isf215 and CTT1(sw)Griffin. Appreciate the responses.
Now just time to condition to score big on the pft.

[FlyNavy]

Thanks isf215 and CTT1(sw)Griffin. Appreciate the responses.
Now just time to condition to score big on the pft.

Anytime!

I would focus more on the ASVAB right now than your PRT. Your PRT isn't an issue until your're actually AT boot camp (just as long as you're in BF standards), while the ASVAB is going to determine what you're even eligible for.

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[CTR3(IW/SG) Freddie]

Of the different brances of CTs, which branch has more people? Which one has the least?

[FlyNavy]

Of the different brances of CTs, which branch has more people? Which one has the least?

Not sure which branch has the most, but M-branchers have by far the least.

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[classified9]

Good afternoon CTT1,

I just had a few general questions since you've had plenty of experience working alongside other CT ratings:

What could a typical first enlistment look like for a CTI? What are the potential duty stations right out of the DLI?

Also, I have researched that most special assignments for CT's such as aircrew, sub duty, and special operations are more 2nd tour type duties (not right out of the DLI), is this correct? I've just heard that during your first enlistment you're more than likely going to be at a NIOC with a desk job...or a mop...

Thank you in advance petty officer

[FlyNavy]

Good afternoon CTT1,

I just had a few general questions since you've had plenty of experience working alongside other CT ratings:

What could a typical first enlistment look like for a CTI? What are the potential duty stations right out of the DLI?

Also, I have researched that most special assignments for CT's such as aircrew, sub duty, and special operations are more 2nd tour type duties (not right out of the DLI), is this correct? I've just heard that during your first enlistment you're more than likely going to be at a NIOC with a desk job...or a mop...

Thank you in advance petty officer

Classified,

I'm out of town for the next few days. I'll get everything to you as soon as I'm back!

[JoeSpook]

I'm pretty anxious to hear what comes up, as well. Classified, I hope to meet you at DLI!

[CTR3(IW/SG) Freddie]

during bootcamp, since I will be needing a security clearance, will I still be able to send letters to my mom in Germany? She just got stationed there a few months ago.

[FlyNavy]

Good afternoon CTT1,

I just had a few general questions since you've had plenty of experience working alongside other CT ratings:

What could a typical first enlistment look like for a CTI? What are the potential duty stations right out of the DLI?

Also, I have researched that most special assignments for CT's such as aircrew, sub duty, and special operations are more 2nd tour type duties (not right out of the DLI), is this correct? I've just heard that during your first enlistment you're more than likely going to be at a NIOC with a desk job...or a mop...

Thank you in advance petty officer

Your first enlistment duty station is 90% likely to be at a NIOC. What specific NIOC you'll be going to would depend on your language (obviously Chinese linguists don't go to Texas; you get the idea).

If you want to do some extra special spooky stuffy, Aircrew or sub support would be the most likely. This is something you could talk to your detailer and school house about while you're at DLI. It would be a follow on C-school, as both of those are volunteer only programs. Something like TIO though would be around your 2nd enlistment, as they want some experience in you first for that.

during bootcamp, since I will be needing a security clearance, will I still be able to send letters to my mom in Germany? She just got stationed there a few months ago.

Your mother being stationed in Germany will have no effect on your security clearance stuff. Write away!

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[classified9]

Thanks for the input Petty Officer,

If you saw another post from me a few minutes ago I went back and deleted it. I didn't know if my post went through or not last week when I checked this weekend, I have a tendency to start writing a post then get busy and forget to send it. Didn't think to check page 2 :drunksailor:

[USNAVYCASTRO]

Hows its going CTT1,

How would you say the work/life balance is as a CTI or CTT? How often would you say i am able to see my wife and son?
Thanks for the response in advance.

[futureSPOOK32]

Do you know any information about CTR C-schools? I haven't really been able to find anything on that topic so any info is appreciated!

[FlyNavy]

Hows its going CTT1,

How would you say the work/life balance is as a CTI or CTT? How often would you say i am able to see my wife and son?
Thanks for the response in advance.

CTI and CTT are totally different worlds, but I'll touch on both.

As a CTI you're 99.9999% likely going to a NIOC (so you'll be shore based). That being said, it's going to be a pretty average 0700-1600 working day like a normal job. You may have a watch rotation in there, but it still will be a very average work week.

CTTs however can go to a ship (and most do). While in port on non-duty days you'll be there 0700-1600. Days you're on duty though you're going to be there a full 24hrs. The average ship has 4-5 duty sections, so every 4-5 days you would be staying over night. Don't stress that though, its not a huge deal. The ship will also get underway from time-to-time and also will obviously deploy; so you would be gone for those as well.

Don't let sea duty discourge you though. Most of the crew had a wife and kid at home and it wasn't an issue. Plus you're only going to go see the world if you're on a ship. Guys on shore duty don't get to have crazy adventures overseas. For example, I did 30 countries in about 2 deployments... So take that for what its worth (I was on an FFG).

Do you know any information about CTR C-schools? I haven't really been able to find anything on that topic so any info is appreciated!

Could you be more specific on what exactly you want to know? Just talking about a C-school is a pretty broad topic. =]

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[futureSPOOK32]

Yah sorry bout that. I guess I was wondering what they go more in depth about if that makes sense. And how likely is it that I'll even get a cschool or is that hard to tell? And also are they all going to be at Corry? Sorry if I'm still being kinda vague lol :P If so I'm sure I'll find out eventually. And thanks in advance!

[FlyNavy]

Yah sorry bout that. I guess I was wondering what they go more in depth about if that makes sense. And how likely is it that I'll even get a cschool or is that hard to tell? And also are they all going to be at Corry? Sorry if I'm still being kinda vague lol :P If so I'm sure I'll find out eventually. And thanks in advance!

Well I'm assuming you already know vaguely what a CTR does, so I'll touch more about the actual school system, billets, and Corry. If you want me to elaborate on CTR life more I can do that too.

As far as A-school goes, you'll most likely be on a pretty regular schedule;
(This is a very rough idea of a normal day, don't take the times to be written in stone)
Wake up and get breakfast at the galley
Go muster up with your class and march over to the school house
In class probably from 0800-1130
Break for lunch
Back in class by 1300
Remain in class until probably 1600ish
The rest of the day is yours to do what you want with as long as you're not on duty! Just be ready for class the next day.

PT wise you might do it 3 times a week and probably earlier in the morning before classes.

As far as C-schools go, those are on an as-needed basis by what the Navy/your future command needs at the time.
C-schools are given to Sailors so that they can become specialized in a specific task or field within their rate. For instance, I'm a CTT, but I could go get a C-school for OPELINT and get an NEC showing that I'm an expert in that particular subject.
HOW you get a C-school is based on if whatever command you're going needs that specific skill set. So if your future command just needs a regular CTR without anything special, then you aren't getting one. If they need someone that can do Morse Code, then you're gonna go to the Morse Code C-school and get that NEC.

90% of the CT C-schools are at Corry. You may go to some other smaller schools (that don't award an NEC) while you're at your command too. So don't think just because you aren't getting a C school that they aren't going to train the shit out of you. They will.

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[futureSPOOK32]

That definitely helps, very good info! Thanks a lot!

[Kcahill90]

Hey! I'm in DEP for AV right now, and it wasn't at all my first choice, but I want to be in the Navy and a job is a job (plus, I love aircraft). I really wanted to be IS or CTN but my credit isn't great because of student loans, so I couldn't get the clearance. I have a bachelors and most of a masters degree, I scored really well on the ASVAB, and I have nothing in my background to DQ me, so my recruiter really wanted me in either of those as much as I did. I talked to the chief and my recruiter and they're saying once I get my loans down a bit I should be able to get that TS clearance and re-rate after I'm in a few years. Realistically how difficult do you think it would be to do that? I'm committed to AV but my dream would really be one of the others, especially because I'd love to work with the Feds eventually. Just figured I'd get the opinion of someone already there. Thanks in advance!

[Cobblestone]

What areas do CTI's usually get stationed at? Is it usually sea duty or shore duty mostly? How do deployments work for them? Do CTI's learn their language fluently for the most part? I'm currently in DEP for AECF, but have thought about taking the DLAB to try for CTI, so I appreciate any help! :)

[jzhaun]

CTIs generally get stationed at NIOCs - Georgia, Maryland, Texas, or Hawaii depending on the language. We aren't stationed on ships, but can travel on them as direct support and can also become aircrew.

I can watch a Chinese tv show or read the news and understand 85% of what they say, but there are a lot of gaps in my knowledge.

[Cobblestone]

Thanks!! If there are holds during the initial school for CTI, is it possible to take college classes to work towards a bachelors? (I already have an associates) For the SSBI, what do they do? My understanding is that they talk to a bunch of people you have known and not all of them are people you put down on the background investigation. I wasn't a bad kid, never in legal trouble (couldn't have worked in the dept. of corrections if I had been!), but I have known people in high school with questionable moral backgrounds. If someone decides to try to diss my name, they wouldn't automatically disqualify me, right? It seems like they would talk to me about the results they came up with

[jzhaun]

Realistically speaking your hold time will be 2 months at most, and juggling time for other classes with DLI would be very difficult to say the least. There's a chance, but it's a very small one.

CTT1 is better acquainted with the SSBI process than I am, but as far as I understand, they're not going to trust any one person implicitly.

[Cobblestone]

Ok, thanks for the info!! :)

[FlyNavy]

For the SSBI, what do they do? My understanding is that they talk to a bunch of people you have known and not all of them are people you put down on the background investigation. I wasn't a bad kid, never in legal trouble (couldn't have worked in the dept. of corrections if I had been!), but I have known people in high school with questionable moral backgrounds. If someone decides to try to diss my name, they wouldn't automatically disqualify me, right? It seems like they would talk to me about the results they came up with

Cobblestone:

The people assigned to your case are seasoned investigators, they can tell who's worth trusting and who isn't. The reason they branch out on your contacts like that is to see if they can find anything you or your close circle of friends might not tell them. But they have a good sense for what's reliable and what isn't. They will also go over any issues or discrepancies with you to get some clarification.

So long story short, just be honest about everything and it will work itself out. They're looking at you, not some other person! If everything you tell them checks out then you'll be fine. Don't sweat it.

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[FlyNavy]

I can't stress enough how much people freak out about the investigation cycle in DEP or in boot.

As long as you're honest and don't have anything to hide then you're gonna be fine. You'll see plenty of people freaking out or telling some kind of polygraph horror story, but 90% of those are either WAY exaggerated or just flat out fabrications.

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[Cobblestone]

Ok, thanks! :) I think I should be 100% fine then!

[FlyNavy]

Ok, thanks! :) I think I should be 100% fine then!

You will be. People make this process way more difficult than it needs to be haha

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[FlyNavy]

Been seeing some CT/Security Clearance questions pop up again.

Bumping for visibility.

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[peanutbutter]

is it possible for someone with a moral waiver to get a DAR approved for a CT or IS rating?

[FlyNavy]

is it possible for someone with a moral waiver to get a DAR approved for a CT or IS rating?

Anything that shows poor moral judgement will normally disqualify you from access to classified material, especially at the TS//SCI level. So most likely CT or IS is not a path that will be open to you if you're enlisting with a moral waiver.

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[Haasino]

I've mentioned it a few times in other threads, but I personally work with people who have prior criminal records ranging from DUI and teenage shoplifting convictions, to one guy on my crew with a felony receiving stolen property arrest (Plead out as a misdemeanor)... and all have Secret to TS/SCI clearances. It seems to come down to frequency and time since offense. One screw-up in your teens... with several years of productive behavior since... doesn't seem to be a disqualifier when determining clearance eligibility.

I myself have my teenage delinquency blemish... my investigator for my SSBI spent more time asking about my prior advisory work in the movie industry than he did about my record.

[FlyNavy]

I've mentioned it a few times in other threads, but I personally work with people who have prior criminal records ranging from DUI and teenage shoplifting convictions, to one guy on my crew with a felony receiving stolen property arrest (Plead out as a misdemeanor)... and all have Secret to TS/SCI clearances. It seems to come down to frequency and time since offense. One screw-up in your teens... with several years of productive behavior since... doesn't seem to be a disqualifier when determining clearance eligibility.

I myself have my teenage delinquency blemish... my investigator for my SSBI spent more time asking about my prior advisory work in the movie industry than he did about my record.


I would take that with a grain of salt, Hass.
Keep in mind that by needing a moral waiver, that means this individual would have been ineligible for military service without that waiver. That's something that DONCAF is going to see.

Getting a SECRET clearance might be doable, but in most cases TS//SCI is a much more difficult thing to get when you have a record. Like you said, it does depend on the specific offense, where, and when it was committed. But by all accounts having a police record, especially one requiring a waiver, is not a favorable thing when applying for clearance, let alone when going into the SIGINT realm.

Is it possible, sure. But it all depends on what it was and if DONCAF feels that it shows moral turpitude.

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[Haasino]

I only speak with confidence on the guy with the felony arrest/misd. theft conviction because I helped him complete his e-QIP, and later saw his granted TS/SCI when we both had our access checked through JPAS. I needed a moral waiver to join as well... didn't disqualify me. Now, we both joined into a Program that initially required a Secret, and was upgraded down the line... would it have been a different story had we been trying for a community with a TS needed right out the gate? Quite possibly...

Also, in my case it had been close to a decade since being a dumb teenager... in my buddy's case, close to 15 years... so the situation will obviously be different for the 18 year-old trying to get a clearance with a record from 2-3 years prior.

[peanutbutter]

would it make a difference if i was never charged with anything? when i was a teen, i paid a restitution fee and the place never charged me and dont have anything on my record

[FlyNavy]

would it make a difference if i was never charged with anything? when i was a teen, i paid a restitution fee and the place never charged me and dont have anything on my record

If you don't have anything on your record then yes you would still have a chance at going CT/IS. Everything is on a case by case basis thought. Just be upfront with everything that you're asked and see how it goes!

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[Breakdancer/EOD]

I recently graduated from A school and i was told that there were no more billets for aircrew when I applied. How do I know if my instructor put in the billet. I never got an answer, i just got order to go to norfolk (attached to the George Bush)

[CivisTerram]

I've got a related question for a spook. I've heard that debt in collections can screw one's chances of getting a TS clearance. I had a college debt go into
collections, about a thousand bucks, and set up a payment plan. Still in good
standing with the agency. Would this be an issue?

[FlyNavy]

I recently graduated from A school and i was told that there were no more billets for aircrew when I applied. How do I know if my instructor put in the billet. I never got an answer, i just got order to go to norfolk (attached to the George Bush)

Your instructor doesn't "put in" a billet. It's either there or it isn't. The only one who decides that is the rating adviser up in Millington. So if your instructor made the call and there weren't any, then there weren't any at that time.

I've got a related question for a spook. I've heard that debt in collections can screw one's chances of getting a TS clearance. I had a college debt go into
collections, about a thousand bucks, and set up a payment plan. Still in good
standing with the agency. Would this be an issue?

Debt can definitely cause issues during your investigation; however, college debt is understandable and if you have a payment plan in place and are in good standing then it shouldn't cause you any issues. They're more worried about say if you owed $20,000 on a house or car or something like that. College debt is super common though.


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[FlyNavy]

Bump

[USNAVYCASTRO]

Hey CTT1 I posted this in another thread. But I'll post here cause I don't think anyone noticed :p
regarding the security clearances for CTI/CTT/CTN my mother and older sister are not US Citizens, they are residents. I know they are planning on taking the citizenship test, so should I wait to join aCT rating until they are citizens? Is it possible to join a different rate and then when they become citizens swap to a CT rating?

[Maverick07]

Just finished reading this thread and gathered a lot of valuable information. Excited to be a future CTN, but I have 5 months til I ship. I have years of experience using Windows and Microsoft Office programs, but none in programming or networking. Any CTN's have a networking tutorial book that they would recommend? Would like to build a foundation to give me a leg up when I get to A school, because programming and networking is going to be challenging. Thanks for any advice. I appreciate it.

[FlyNavy]

Hey CTT1 I posted this in another thread. But I'll post here cause I don't think anyone noticed :p
regarding the security clearances for CTI/CTT/CTN my mother and older sister are not US Citizens, they are residents. I know they are planning on taking the citizenship test, so should I wait to join aCT rating until they are citizens? Is it possible to join a different rate and then when they become citizens swap to a CT rating?

Castro,
As long as YOU are a citizen, that's what counts. Your family being residents is going to be a crap ton of paperwork no matter when they become citizens (since they were born in another country). Just be upfront on your paperwork and get everything the investigator will need and you should be fine.

Just finished reading this thread and gathered a lot of valuable information. Excited to be a future CTN, but I have 5 months til I ship. I have years of experience using Windows and Microsoft Office programs, but none in programming or networking. Any CTN's have a networking tutorial book that they would recommend? Would like to build a foundation to give me a leg up when I get to A school, because programming and networking is going to be challenging. Thanks for any advice. I appreciate it.

I'll touch base on the 2 big things you mentioned:
Networking: Study material as if you were going to take your CCNA. That cert is going to cover a TON of what you're going to pick up in the cyber realm. Having at least a working understanding of the concepts in CCNA will make life a lot easier. If I had to pick the most important thing though, I would say LEARN TO SUBNET. You should be able to subnet using only a pen and paper and be able to tell me Network Address, Gateway, First Usable address, Broadcast Address, and what the next network address after that would be. If you can do that before A-school, you're going to have a significantly easier time there.

Programming: Don't stress too much on this one. If you want to be a programmer then there might be some opportunities at whatever site you land at. But they aren't going to start drilling you on Perl scripts or anything in A-school haha So don't stress about knowing how to code.

Let me know if you have more questions! I'm currently part of the cyber world myself, so I have a very close relationship with CTNs.

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[Navyftw93]

So i'm leaving in just a week for boot, going IS. Do you have any wisdom to shine on the IS rating? (:

[NavySpouse]

I am wondering if/why does the Navy consider Persian Farsi an Arabic dialect? They are two separate languages. Is there a way to change the language after boot camp and prior to A school?

[LT Guppy]

your spouse should be finding out that information. If it was any other job would you be calling their boss?

The languages are based on their test scores.

[NavySpouse]

Good point, I'm overreacting, but was really looking forward to the one. It's hard to just feel like I'm along for the ride and be okay with it, but it's something to work towards. It's hard to be in the blind though, even if I have questions for her, I can't get any answered from her for like two weeks, but I guess that's kind of the point of boot camp to prepare us for it.

[LT Guppy]

It can be frustrating at times (I've been a navy spouse longer than I've been a sailor). But it's something you and she will have to figure out.
You may want to join a military spouse group, because you really aren't alone. MilitarySOS is a pretty good group; it can take some getting used to, but there is a lot of good information.

[Willow]

I have a question regarding my contract. My rate is CTN and I'm going in as an E-2. I have an A & C school in my contract. One of my enlistment guarantees is "Training in the Advanced Electronics Field (AEF)... and advancement to paygrade (E-4) per MILPERSMAN Articles 1160-040 and 1510-030." My recruiter just told me I would automatically get E-4 after completion of A-School, but after reading 1510-030 there seems to be a few catches.

On Page 8:" ... c. Personnel are authorized guaranteed advancement to E-4
after successfully completing “A” school or advanced training
required to attain rating designation and after serving 6 months
TIR as an E-3. The following must also be completed or obtained
prior to advancement to E-4:
(1) All requirements completed for advancement in rate;
(2) Performance appraisal review;
(3) Command officer’s recommendation. "

If I'm reading this right I won't get E-4 immediately upon completion of A-school, since I'll be an E-2 during A-school and won't have fulfilled the necessary 6 months TIR as an E-3.

Was my recruiter right about getting E-4 immediately upon completion of A-school or is my reading of MILPERSMAN correct? Also, is it normal to get Command officer's recommendation if you get good grades and graduate?

I forget which MILPERSMAN article it was in, but I read that A-school for CTN's is in and of itself considered advanced training, and as such rewards an NEC to it's graduates. Does this mean that CTN's with a C-school would get two NECs somehow? Or just the initial one, perhaps?

Thanks for any help you can give!

[FlyNavy]

I have a question regarding my contract. My rate is CTN and I'm going in as an E-2. I have an A & C school in my contract. One of my enlistment guarantees is "Training in the Advanced Electronics Field (AEF)... and advancement to paygrade (E-4) per MILPERSMAN Articles 1160-040 and 1510-030." My recruiter just told me I would automatically get E-4 after completion of A-School, but after reading 1510-030 there seems to be a few catches.

On Page 8:" ... c. Personnel are authorized guaranteed advancement to E-4
after successfully completing “A” school or advanced training
required to attain rating designation and after serving 6 months
TIR as an E-3. The following must also be completed or obtained
prior to advancement to E-4:
(1) All requirements completed for advancement in rate;
(2) Performance appraisal review;
(3) Command officer’s recommendation. "

If I'm reading this right I won't get E-4 immediately upon completion of A-school, since I'll be an E-2 during A-school and won't have fulfilled the necessary 6 months TIR as an E-3.

Was my recruiter right about getting E-4 immediately upon completion of A-school or is my reading of MILPERSMAN correct? Also, is it normal to get Command officer's recommendation if you get good grades and graduate?

I forget which MILPERSMAN article it was in, but I read that A-school for CTN's is in and of itself considered advanced training, and as such rewards an NEC to it's graduates. Does this mean that CTN's with a C-school would get two NECs somehow? Or just the initial one, perhaps?

Thanks for any help you can give!

So a couple things here...

Your recruiter is both right and wrong at the same time. Yes you will be a push-button 3rd class, but you WILL have to have TIR to get promoted. That's standard for any automatic E4 in the Navy regardless if you're a CTN, Nuke, whatever. The part about the CO's recommendation, you don't need to worry about that part. The command will get all the needed paperwork together, as this is a normal occurrence and there are gonna be plenty of other people in your same position. Once you get the TIR out of the way, it's a pretty simple process to get your crow.

Before CTN A-school was JCAC, it was a series of Network Analysis courses (BDNA, IDNA, ADNA). Those I believe did grant an NEC for some reason, but now that all those courses fall under JCAC, I don't believe you'll be getting an NEC just for A-school. C-school though, yes.

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[Willow]

So a couple things here...

Your recruiter is both right and wrong at the same time. Yes you will be a push-button 3rd class, but you WILL have to have TIR to get promoted. That's standard for any automatic E4 in the Navy regardless if you're a CTN, Nuke, whatever. The part about the CO's recommendation, you don't need to worry about that part. The command will get all the needed paperwork together, as this is a normal occurrence and there are gonna be plenty of other people in your same position. Once you get the TIR out of the way, it's a pretty simple process to get your crow.

Before CTN A-school was JCAC, it was a series of Network Analysis courses (BDNA, IDNA, ADNA). Those I believe did grant an NEC for some reason, but now that all those courses fall under JCAC, I don't believe you'll be getting an NEC just for A-school. C-school though, yes.

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Ahh, gotcha. Just to clarify though - that TIR will have to be as an E-3, not E-2?

[NavySpouse]

What can be expected as far as sea/shore duty and/or deployments. Typically how long would we be apart in the CTI rating and assumedly where are stations for middle eastern languages. How much work does the Navy CTI do with the other branches as well. Will you work with Army and Airforce or almost exclusively Navy

[jzhaun]

What can be expected as far as sea/shore duty and/or deployments. Typically how long would we be apart in the CTI rating and assumedly where are stations for middle eastern languages. How much work does the Navy CTI do with the other branches as well. Will you work with Army and Airforce or almost exclusively Navy

CTIs don't have a sea/shore rotation, just an in CONUS/out CONUS one. Sand languages go to Georgia. There are opportunities for aircrew (need to be in good shape, pass aircrew and SERE school), dirsup (short term assignment to ships, not ships company), and subs (males only), but it'll come down to needs of the navy. Those kinds of assignments are mostly navy, but shore duty is mostly joint.

[FlyNavy]

Recently got this question in my inbox:

I went to the recruiter today and i am dead set on CTM but they said i need to be a little more open for them to send me to MEPS... I want to be in the CT field and i want to do hands on work... What does the CTT Rate do and what can you tell me?

Thank you
Alaina

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As a T brancher, you're definitely going to be getting to do hands on work. If getting into the circuits and chasing wire's (as well as operating the Electronic Warfare suite) is something that you'd be interested in, then I would consider the AEF route in the CTT rate. AEF is for the 6yr contracts for Sailors that undergo additional months of technical training to be able to troubleshoot the internal electronics of our systems.

Even as just an operator tough, I was constantly working on everything from the circuit cards to our chaff launching system, to the antennas. So either way you go, you're going to be hands on with your equipment.

Overall, as a CTT in the AEF pipeline, you would be doing just as much tech work as a a CTM, just on a different system. The bonus of being a T branch tech though is that you get to actually operate the system you're working on. You'll not only be able to repair the equipment, but you'll also be involved in combat operations for the ship. CTM's don't really role in operating the equipment they repair or manning a combat related station.

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[FlyNavy]

Bump

[Jdubbs]

Thank you very much for this thread.. I leave for Boot January 6th as a CTN. Doing all the research i possibly can because even my recruiter couldn't tell me much about my Rate. You're tidbit on CTNs is the most i've found, and now i'm even more excited to start my career and life in the Navy

[FlyNavy]

Thank you very much for this thread.. I leave for Boot January 6th as a CTN. Doing all the research i possibly can because even my recruiter couldn't tell me much about my Rate. You're tidbit on CTNs is the most i've found, and now i'm even more excited to start my career and life in the Navy

It's an awesome rate. The only draw back is that you don't travel as much as the other CT types, but you're quite literally going to be making a difference in National Security from day one. Its a massive responsibility.

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[FlyNavy]

Bump after some CT related posts :)

If you have specific CT questions, place them here!

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[ejrwelch]

Good point, I'm overreacting, but was really looking forward to the one. It's hard to just feel like I'm along for the ride and be okay with it, but it's something to work towards. It's hard to be in the blind though, even if I have questions for her, I can't get any answered from her for like two weeks, but I guess that's kind of the point of boot camp to prepare us for it.

So as some one in the Persian-Farsi course right now they do not consider it Arabic... at all. They do group it in the sand language group with MSA arabic and the 3 main dialects, Dari, Urdu, Pashto, and Hebrew. All that it means is Ga. PF is not a bad deal. I enjoy it a lot and we have one of the nicer group of teachers. Anywho. When your sailor arrives here they can request to change while in indoc and if available they can change. We had a span go to korean and an arabic go to spanish and others have changed serveral times. It all comes down to scores. Any more questions that I am able to answer for you I will. Soon to be out of monterey though, thank god!

[JoeSpook]

When your sailor arrives here they can request to change while in indoc and if available they can change. We had a span go to korean and an arabic go to spanish and others have changed serveral times. It all comes down to scores.

That... that's wicked cool. My wife and I are weighing out all of our options, and we've agreed that we're totally cool with the needs of the Navy. However, we realize that while I'm good with Asian languages and have lots of Asian friends who teach me things here and there, being stationed in [REDACTED 1] makes seeing both of our families slightly more, uh, freakishly expensive. Outlandishly expensive, really, and I don't think I've ever used the term "outlandish" in a more appropriate sense.

[REDACTED 2] is closest to my family, which would make visits infinitely more possible, but everything I've heard about being stationed in [REDACTED 2] is "well, it is what you make it." I'm not good with Arabic-oriented languages, but I can learn. My wife and I have lived in a very tiny 3-room apartment with no sink (long story) for 2 years, so we're gonna have a good time anywhere, but still...

Not really a huge fan of Spanish, and I'm not big on vodka so Russian also feels pretty "meh" to me. To those ends, being stationed in [REDACTED 3] doesn't accomplish much. It's near some of my wife's family that she doesn't really know, so it gets a point for functionality, but altogether I'm mostly torn between [REDACTED 1] and [REDACTED 2] to raise a family in.

It's quite relieving to know that if we come to a decision, there's a tiny tiny tiny chance that we could request a change.

Any idea what scores typically get a switch approved?

[FlyNavy]

Joe,

I would hit up Jzhaun, as he is our resident CTI. I work with CTI types, but I don't know enough about your A-school to answer that as well as he could.

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I also recieved the following message in my inbox and am replying here;

Hi man,

I'm having trouble decipher the main differences between these three rates.

Also CTIs start as E1, as in unlike lets say Nuke or AECF dont get an auto rank, right?

-Tommy


The rates you mentioned were CTT, CTI, and IS. So I'll hit them in that order.

CTT: T-branchers are the Navy's Electronic Warfare experts. On ships we are responsible for Anti-Ship Missile Defense (ASMD), as well as Electronic Intelligence (ELINT). We use and maintain our equipment to monitor radar signals from ships, aircraft, shore sites, and missiles, and in some cases deny the use of these systems to our enemy. Shore side you would be working at a NIOC doing the same thing minus the ASMD part. As a whole, CTT's can get stationed on ships, ashore, on subs, and attached as Aircrew.

CTI: I-branchers are the Navy's language experts. They cover all different kinds of languages from Russian and Chinese to Spanish and Arabic. There are entire ranges of lesser spoken languages in there as well. CTI's spend most of their career at a NIOC and alternate CONUS//OCONUS duty stations. Your designated language will dictate where you get stationed (certain languages go certain places obviously).

IS: IS's work with what we call "All-Source" intelligence. Where the CT community are the technical experts, IS's are responsible for the bigger picture to include trends, historical relevance, and geo-political landscape. IS's spend quite a bit of time preparing briefs for senior personnel and going over the myriad of reports from other organizations. They are also responsible for Human Intelligence (HUMINT). IS's are stationed on larger ships typically and on shore sites around the world.

On the topic of auto-rank, that all just depends on how long you're in training for. The whole reason they bump people up like that is because they spend so long in training. If they didn't they would significantly be behind their peers career wise. So it's kind of a way to balance the playing field career wise. Different rates and specialties are in training for different time periods, so it just depends what specific program you land in.

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[jzhaun]

That... that's wicked cool. My wife and I are weighing out all of our options, and we've agreed that we're totally cool with the needs of the Navy. However, we realize that while I'm good with Asian languages and have lots of Asian friends who teach me things here and there, being stationed in HI makes seeing both of our families slightly more, uh, freakishly expensive. Outlandishly expensive, really, and I don't think I've ever used the term "outlandish" in a more appropriate sense.

GA is closest to my family, which would make visits infinitely more possible, but everything I've heard about being stationed in GA is "well, it is what you make it." I'm not good with Arabic-oriented languages, but I can learn. My wife and I have lived in a very tiny 3-room apartment with no sink (long story) for 2 years, so we're gonna have a good time anywhere, but still...

Not really a huge fan of Spanish, and I'm not big on vodka so Russian also feels pretty "meh" to me. To those ends, being stationed in TX doesn't accomplish much. It's near some of her family that she doesn't really know, so it gets a point for functionality, but altogether I'm torn between HI and GA to raise a family in.

It's quite relieving to know that if we come to a decision, there's a tiny tiny tiny chance that we could request a change.

Any idea what scores typically get a switch approved?

It's not going to be about your scores. I mean, if you have a 100 and want Arabic that's probably not happening, but as long as you're within the range they don'tt care. What it's about is luck. Basically it's the same as a Dar - somebody didn't show up and now there's a slot. It's only going to work for languages that they're currently filling classes for, which are usually but not always the same languages they offer you at boot camp.

As far as languages go - Russian guys go to Maryland first tour. Sand languages tend to be more of a gamble (less people pass) but also make more money. I would always recommend to go with the language you like best though, because in my experience, most people who aren't interested in their language for its own sake don't pass.

Ps-person asking about ranking up as a cti: we get e2 at the end of boot camp and e4 at the end of a school.

[FlyNavy]

While it may be obvious in most cases, lets stay away from mentioning what specific assets are being deployed where.

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[HSBSailor]

What is the current 11/3/2014 status of the CTI enlistment bonus? Not the school loan program but the EB per the 1/24/2014 message promulgating the CTI-ATF bonus paid upon DLI A/F school completion? Thanks!

[FlyNavy]

What is the current 11/3/2014 status of the CTI enlistment bonus? Not the school loan program but the EB per the 1/24/2014 message promulgating the CTI-ATF bonus paid upon DLI A/F school completion? Thanks!

As far as I know CTI bonuses are based on whatever language you are assigned and they fluctuate frequently.

Jzhaun is our local CTI and could shed a bit more light on it for you.

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[blacktemplar]

Edit: answered question, I should actually finish reading a thread before asking a question, an novel idea.

[TBBURKE]

I was offered 10k or LRP upon signing my CTI contract in April.

[FlyNavy]

Edit: answered question, I should actually finish reading a thread before asking a question, an novel idea.

Haha no worries. I've done that here as well.

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[FlyNavy]

Bumping up. Seen a few CT related questions pop up recently.

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[Maverick07]

Will holding certifications in computer networks and security from companies like Cisco and CompTIA help in advancement or command placement? I've been studying Network+ and Security+ for the past 2 months, but will not pay the $264 for a certification test if it holds no bearing in the Navy. I explored the Navy Cool website, which list all the civilian credentials/certifications related to the CTN rating. The Navy also gives out exam vouchers to pay for these certifications.

[FlyNavy]

Will holding certifications in computer networks and security from companies like Cisco and CompTIA help in advancement or command placement? I've been studying Network+ and Security+ for the past 2 months, but will not pay the $264 for a certification test if it holds no bearing in the Navy. I explored the Navy Cool website, which list all the civilian credentials/certifications related to the CTN rating. The Navy also gives out exam vouchers to pay for these certifications.

As far as command placement, it won't have any bearing.

As far as advancement though, it will give you a huge leg up on your competition. It won't grant you additional points or anything, but you'll be ahead of the curve knowledge wise for sure.

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[FlyNavy]

Seen a few CT questions lately. Bumping this thread if there are any more!

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[FlyNavy]

I received this question via PM:

Hi, CTT1

While I was reading through your post, I found a link you put up for the CTN's working with SpecOps and such. But when I clicked on it, there was nothing but coding on the page. Do you know of any other places I could find that information? I would love to know more about it.

CT's going into the Spec Ops world do so under a program called TIO (Tactical Information Operations). You're not going to find much information out there about TIO due to the obvious classified nature of the job.

In a nut-shell though, SEALs are the ones trained to go in and get the bad guys, while there will almost always be at least 1 CT with them to handle all the secret squirrel intelligence stuff. The operator side of TIO goes out on the missions with them, while back at base there's also CT analysts waiting to pour over the intel that comes back. So there is a CT involved with both phases of the mission.

TIO is typically something you would start looking at after you've been in the fleet for a few years. It's very rare they would pick someone up right out of A-school. You need to be in Spec Ops shape and have some experience doing your job. A seasoned 2nd Class Petty Officer in prime shape would be an ideal candidate, although a motivated candidate could possibly get picked up sooner. You can either talk to your detailer about applying, or depending where you're stationed, a TIO recruiter might come by looking for interested candidates. Either way, you're going to need to be the one who's tracking people down for information and to apply.

Below is a link with a brief description of TIO
http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/reference/milpersman/1000/1300Assignment/Documents/1306-984.pdf

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[FlyNavy]

Bumping, as we're having CT related questions again :)

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[CTR3(IW/SG) Freddie]

Do you have any info you could share about 451 for CTRs?

[FlyNavy]

Do you have any info you could share about 451 for CTRs?

Could you elaborate a little more on this for me? I'm pretty sure you're asking about NEC 9147, but just wanted to make sure.

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[CTR3(IW/SG) Freddie]

Yeah I'm new at this and im trying to know what I canand can not say publicly. ( I rather be told what I can say, then what I can't say after it's been said) But my class right now is 450, and they say if you do good enough you get a chance to be picked up for 451. I'm not sure if it's the same as the NEC or not.

[FlyNavy]

Yeah I'm new at this and im trying to know what I canand can not say publicly. ( I rather be told what I can say, then what I can't say after it's been said) But my class right now is 450, and they say if you do good enough you get a chance to be picked up for 451. I'm not sure if it's the same as the NEC or not.

That's probably the code for the class itself. If you can find out the actual NEC then I could fill you in on what I know.

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[FutureSailorjb2]

I can't stress enough how much people freak out about the investigation cycle in DEP or in boot.

As long as you're honest and don't have anything to hide then you're gonna be fine. You'll see plenty of people freaking out or telling some kind of polygraph horror story, but 90% of those are either WAY exaggerated or just flat out fabrications.

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Alright this thread has be great to read. I have definitely learned a lot. I'm curious as to the polygraph stuff. I have heard both ways, some say you will take one some say you won't and its just a scare tactic. Anyway to settle the debate?

[CTR3(IW/SG) Freddie]

That's probably the code for the class itself. If you can find out the actual NEC then I could fill you in on what I know.

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Yes, the class does give you the NEC code 9147. Who usually gets orders to go to this class and would you suggest trying to get it before going to the fleet if I can, or should I try to get some experience first?

[FlyNavy]

Alright this thread has be great to read. I have definitely learned a lot. I'm curious as to the polygraph stuff. I have heard both ways, some say you will take one some say you won't and its just a scare tactic. Anyway to settle the debate?

You're only going to get one if you're going to command that requires you to have one done (IE most NIOCs).

CTI's and CTN's pretty much work there exclusively, so they'll get theirs done eventually. If they can get them done at boot, then great. If not, they'll get it done while in holding before start work at their command.

As a T brancher that was heading to a ship, I didn't have to get one done until I came to shore duty. Same with R branchers; they won't always be required to have one at every command they go to.

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[realgaz]

Army has the 35P which is the equivalent to the CTI rating.

I know within the army they have support roles for special forces and what not. Things like SOT-A.
Is there an equivalent role for CTI in the navy? if so do you know anything about the process to become qualified or to simply volunteer?

[FlyNavy]

Army has the 35P which is the equivalent to the CTI rating.

I know within the army they have support roles for special forces and what not. Things like SOT-A.
Is there an equivalent role for CTI in the navy? if so do you know anything about the process to become qualified or to simply volunteer?

The CT community has something we call TIO (Tactical Information Operations) that supports NSW (Spec Ops). It's a very tight knit community and they can be pretty choosy about who they take and who they don't.

Once you get through A-school and have settled in at your command, just ask your chain-of-command about getting in contact with one of the TIO recruiters at your site. They'll fill you in on specifics. It's not something you can do right out of A-school though and they typically want you to have some experience doing your job before they pick you up. You'll also need to be in pretty good physical condition as well.

But yes, we do have something like that and it's totally doable if you're willing to chase it down.

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[realgaz]

The CT community has something we call TIO (Tactical Information Operations) that supports NSW (Spec Ops). It's a very tight knit community and they can be pretty choosy about who they take and who they don't.

Once you get through A-school and have settled in at your command, just ask your chain-of-command about getting in contact with one of the TIO recruiters at your site. They'll fill you in on specifics. It's not something you can do right out of A-school though and they typically want you to have some experience doing your job before they pick you up. You'll also need to be in pretty good physical condition as well.

But yes, we do have something like that and it's totally doable if you're willing to chase it down.

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Greatly appreciate the response and information. So psyched something I can work towards.

[FlyNavy]

Greatly appreciate the response and information. So psyched something I can work towards.

I was with one of my TIO folks earlier today and he confirmed you actually need to do a full tour as a CT before you can apply for TIO. So just a heads up there.

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[Beck94]

This is not about CT, but IS. Do you know where most IS end up getting stationed after they finish A-school? Do they usually deploy or stay on shore?

[rjk707]

CTT1,

When you say a full tour do you mean a deployment or a full contract length.

[gameingkine]

This is not about CT, but IS. Do you know where most IS end up getting stationed after they finish A-school? Do they usually deploy or stay on shore?


For us it really depends on your NEC. but the billets are pretty split 50/50 for shore and sea. one of the perks for us right now is we pick our billet so near the end of A school they line all the actives up outside by grade order. Highest grade going first. we then pick from a list of billets they give us. Granted we get the list a day prior so we do a mock run when we come in later that night but anyways each billet has the NEC with it. you cant pick your NEC then your station. each station has what NEC it needs. but because we are a 6 year contract they will get a sea and shore out of you. count on that.

Also we go to C-school. All IS's go to C school right after A school.

Without being classed back the whole schooling takes between 6-9 months. again, depending on which NEC school you go to

[jzhaun]

CTT1,

When you say a full tour do you mean a deployment or a full contract length.

A full tour = ~3 years at your first command, with the clock starting after you graduate A/C school and PCS. After that you'll renegotiate for new orders and then you can try for TIO (you may have to reenlist if your contract is almost over).

[FlyNavy]

A full tour = ~3 years at your first command, with the clock starting after you graduate A/C school and PCS. After that you'll renegotiate for new orders and then you can try for TIO (you may have to reenlist if your contract is almost over).

Pretty much nailed it.
You'll finish your time at your first duty station (basically the length of your 1st contract) and then you can start looking into TIO options.

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[Beck94]

For us it really depends on your NEC. but the billets are pretty split 50/50 for shore and sea. one of the perks for us right now is we pick our billet so near the end of A school they line all the actives up outside by grade order. Highest grade going first. we then pick from a list of billets they give us. Granted we get the list a day prior so we do a mock run when we come in later that night but anyways each billet has the NEC with it. you cant pick your NEC then your station. each station has what NEC it needs. but because we are a 6 year contract they will get a sea and shore out of you. count on that.

Also we go to C-school. All IS's go to C school right after A school.

Without being classed back the whole schooling takes between 6-9 months. again, depending on which NEC school you go to

Thanks for the information! I read somewhere on here that each NEC went to a specific place after they complete C school, such as, [REDACTED]
As far as Op intel, can they go anywhere or do they usually have a specific place to go?

Then from there you might be attached to a specific ship or carrier for deployment.

Is there any truth to this?

Also, are there usually intelligence specialists on each ship or carrier during deployment or do they usually stay at shore?

Sorry for all the questions, just not a whole lot of info about IS around.

[FlyNavy]

Thanks for the information! I read somewhere on here that each NEC went to a specific place after they complete C school, such as, [REDACTED]
As far as Op intel, can they go anywhere or do they usually have a specific place to go?

Then from there you might be attached to a specific ship or carrier for deployment.

Is there any truth to this?

Also, are there usually intelligence specialists on each ship or carrier during deployment or do they usually stay at shore?

Sorry for all the questions, just not a whole lot of info about IS around.

Two things here

FRIENDLY OPSEC PLUG
We don't need to discuss what specific personnel, NECs, ect, are going to what unit or locations to do what. This is a public form and not the place for specific information like that. I want you new guys to internalize the fact that foreign actors are almost definitely monitoring this forum in one way or another.

Secondly, there are usually a very small contingent of IS's aboard big decks for deployments. CG and DDG platforms usually only have 1 IS attached and it's always going to be a 1st Class Petty Officer. So yes, they do get underway as ship riders every once in a while, but honestly most of your work can be done from shore.

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[Jgraham0517]

I am depping and my rate will be ctr. I would love to get stationed overseas somewhere. honestly wouldn't matter where to me. Are there a lot of countries to be stationed and do you think they would be more inclined to send someone over that is a little more vocal about going?

[CTR3(IW/SG) Freddie]

Currently, they are not allowing any new CTR's to be stationed overseas. Of course if you are on a deployment and your ship goes overseas then you will be with the ship. And even if you do ask for it a lot, we don't get to talk to the detailed so your instructor will probably just get annoyed Cus he or she can't really do anything about it.

Even the fleet returnees that have been stationed overseas can be stationed there. And they talk directly to the detailed. So if they can't get special treatment, it's going to be hard for us to get special treatment.

[Jgraham0517]

are the common places being stationed still san Antonio, Georgia, Hawaii, Norfolk and ft meade?

[FlyNavy]

are the common places being stationed still san Antonio, Georgia, Hawaii, Norfolk and ft meade?

I can't answer that directly as it would violate OPSEC. Being this is a public forum that anyone can come read, saying what rates are going to what places, to do what things, is something you REALLY don't want to put on a public website.... Welcome to being a Spook and learning to never talk about anything specific haha What I want you to get out of that is that foreign intelligence is most likely watching these kinds of forums for specific information like that. So things like that are what I want you to keep in mind when posting something anywhere online (facebook, here, twitter, ect).

Where you get stationed just depends on your rate and where the Navy needs your specific skills at that time. As an R-brancher you're just as likely to be going to a ship anywhere in the fleet as you are to any of those places (or others).

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[momtinez]

General questions..dont want to violate any rules here, but apologies if I do. I signed CTI, ship in a few months.

1. We pick our languages in bootcamp, correct? And I'm assuming this is on a score-type basis (ie if 3 people scored over 110, the highest scoring person gets to pick their language first) but I could be wrong. Does anyone know exactly how that process will work? I'm just hoping to get the language I want.

2. I know most every other rating goes to their A-school, then picks orders based on how they rank in their classes. For CTI's, since you've already got your language, is there anything to select? Or do you go to whatever NIOC regardless of grades, just based on language.

3. And I know SERE is kind of an unspoken thing, but I've aways been beyond interested in aircrew and I'm wondering if anyone has any insight or advice. Also, if you fail out or DOR of NACCS or SERE, I'm assuming you just go back to your NIOC and keep your rating?

4. I know sub duty isn't taking female volunteers right now, is anyone aware if aircrew is taking female volunteers? I've also read a lot about the military not sending females to less than friendly areas overseas, does that mean DIRSUP isn't an option? Sorry to bombard with questions...

If any of these were answered elsewhere, I genuinely apologize. I've just read this entire forum, so it is very likely I've turbo loaded my own brain lol

Thanks in advanced!!

[FlyNavy]

General questions..dont want to violate any rules here, but apologies if I do. I signed CTI, ship in a few months.

1. We pick our languages in bootcamp, correct? And I'm assuming this is on a score-type basis (ie if 3 people scored over 110, the highest scoring person gets to pick their language first) but I could be wrong. Does anyone know exactly how that process will work? I'm just hoping to get the language I want. Jzhaun would be the best person for this question.

2. I know most every other rating goes to their A-school, then picks orders based on how they rank in their classes. For CTI's, since you've already got your language, is there anything to select? Or do you go to whatever NIOC regardless of grades, just based on language. You'll get sent to whatever NIOC needs your language. I can't get into specifics, but I think you're already on the right track here.

3. And I know SERE is kind of an unspoken thing, but I've aways been beyond interested in aircrew and I'm wondering if anyone has any insight or advice. Also, if you fail out or DOR of NACCS or SERE, I'm assuming you just go back to your NIOC and keep your rating? Talk to your instructors while you're in A-school as there might be billets open for it. I know quite a few female CTI Aircrewmen, so you definitely have a shot. You're correct that if you don't complete the Aircrew pipeline that you go back to a NIOC for your typical CTI duties.

4. I know sub duty isn't taking female volunteers right now, is anyone aware if aircrew is taking female volunteers? I've also read a lot about the military not sending females to less than friendly areas overseas, does that mean DIRSUP isn't an option? Sorry to bombard with questions... Like I said above, Aircrew is totally open to you. You'll be flying the same missions the males do, so there isn't a difference there. Part of the reason Aircrew is volunteer only is because it's a dangerous job. Flights get shot down, taken prisoner, ect. It's happened before and will most likely happen again at some point. The Navy doesn't care what's between your legs when you're sitting in that seat, only that you can do the job and that you want to be there.

If any of these were answered elsewhere, I genuinely apologize. I've just read this entire forum, so it is very likely I've turbo loaded my own brain lol

Thanks in advanced!!

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[FlyNavy]

General questions..dont want to violate any rules here, but apologies if I do. I signed CTI, ship in a few months.

1. We pick our languages in bootcamp, correct? And I'm assuming this is on a score-type basis (ie if 3 people scored over 110, the highest scoring person gets to pick their language first) but I could be wrong. Does anyone know exactly how that process will work? I'm just hoping to get the language I want. Jzhaun would be the best person for this question.

2. I know most every other rating goes to their A-school, then picks orders based on how they rank in their classes. For CTI's, since you've already got your language, is there anything to select? Or do you go to whatever NIOC regardless of grades, just based on language.[/QUOTE] You'll get sent to whatever NIOC needs your language. I can't get into specifics, but I think you're already on the right track here.

3. And I know SERE is kind of an unspoken thing, but I've aways been beyond interested in aircrew and I'm wondering if anyone has any insight or advice. Also, if you fail out or DOR of NACCS or SERE, I'm assuming you just go back to your NIOC and keep your rating?[/QUOTE] Talk to your instructors while you're in A-school as there might be billets open for it. I know quite a few female CTI Aircrewmen, so you definitely have a shot. You're correct that if you don't complete the Aircrew pipeline that you go back to a NIOC for your typical CTI duties.

4. I know sub duty isn't taking female volunteers right now, is anyone aware if aircrew is taking female volunteers? I've also read a lot about the military not sending females to less than friendly areas overseas, does that mean DIRSUP isn't an option? Sorry to bombard with questions...[/QUOTE] Like I said above, Aircrew is totally open to you. You'll be flying the same missions the males do, so there isn't a difference there. Part of the reason Aircrew is volunteer only is because it's a dangerous job. Flights get shot down, taken prisoner, ect. It's happened before and will most likely happen again at some point. The Navy doesn't care what's between your legs when you're sitting in that seat, only that you can do the job and that you want to be there.

If any of these were answered elsewhere, I genuinely apologize. I've just read this entire forum, so it is very likely I've turbo loaded my own brain lol

Thanks in advanced!![/QUOTE]

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[momtinez]

Ah! Thank you so much!! Another question, cause I'm just full of them lol

I'm going in E-3, with guaranteed E-4 after 6 months, or A-school completion, whichever comes first. I will definitely be in A-school a while, so, providing everything goes well, I'll get E-4 6 months out of boot. Since I'll still have almost a year of A-school left, is it possible to advance more before finishing? I'm not entirely sure what the minimum time in is for CTI's for each rank...

And my (potentially) last for tonight, someone mentioned earlier different bonuses for completion of different languages. You can sign a bonus at MEPS just for picking CTI (promised upon completion of DLI) so is this saying that, depending on your language, there may be additional bonuses offered? I wish I could go back and quote it, but my phone isn't currently cooperating as well with this site as I'd like it to. Thank you so much!!

[FlyNavy]

Ah! Thank you so much!! Another question, cause I'm just full of them lol

I'm going in E-3, with guaranteed E-4 after 6 months, or A-school completion, whichever comes first. I will definitely be in A-school a while, so, providing everything goes well, I'll get E-4 6 months out of boot. Since I'll still have almost a year of A-school left, is it possible to advance more before finishing? I'm not entirely sure what the minimum time in is for CTI's for each rank... You're not gonna pass PO3 in A-school. This used to be a thing back when I was coming up, but it was such a bad thing for someone to be a 2nd Class with ZERO experience in the Navy that they just stopped allowing it. Since DLI is separate from Corry though, things could be different though but I wouldn't bank on it. Honestly coming into the fleet as a 2nd class with no actual time in would be a HUGE detriment to your career since you'll basically have no idea what you're doing and as a 2nd Class you'll be expected to be in charge of quite a bit.

And my (potentially) last for tonight, someone mentioned earlier different bonuses for completion of different languages. You can sign a bonus at MEPS just for picking CTI (promised upon completion of DLI) so is this saying that, depending on your language, there may be additional bonuses offered? I wish I could go back and quote it, but my phone isn't currently cooperating as well with this site as I'd like it to. Thank you so much!!c You should have whatever bonus you're going to get written into your contract. Learn this early: If it's not in writing then it doesn't exist.

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[momtinez]

My dad's a retired navy officer lol I learnt from a very young age, If it isn't in writing, it isn't real. If it is in writing, it's VERY real. I got exactly what I wanted in my contract, so I'd like to consider myself pretty fortunate in those respects. I just didn't know if there were any additional anythings, but honestly, I'd be doing it all anyways with no bonus, so it's not a big deal.

The whole 3rd class 2nd class thing makes total sense, I didn't even really think about that aspect. I know there's a posting for each individual pipeline minimum time in (if not on this site, then another) I was just curious. Thank you for all your help. I'm sure I'll inevitably be bugging you with more questions shortly ��

[jzhaun]

Okay, so as far as selection of languages goes, it depends on 4 things: your dlab scores, your previous language experience (sometimes), your preference, and most importantly, what languages they have available the week you go to the cti detailer. He or she will also keep in mind stuff like wanting aircrew, because certain languages don't have slots for it.

The first time I went to see the detailer, he had all the Arabic dialects, Farsi, Russian, and Korean open. I had a score over 120 and experience with Japanese, so I got Korean. But due to an injury in boot, I wound up stuck there past the start date for my first class. The 2nd time, they had Chinese, Farsi, and Spanish open. I got Chinese.

Also, DLI is the same as Corry. You can't put on 3rd class before graduating your course and passing the DLPT.

The additional money you've heard of is probably the reenlistment bonus, which depends on your languages, but can pay pretty well. You also get language pay for any language you can get a 2/2 on the DLPT in (it isn't just for the one you study).

[momtinez]

You both have been beyond helpful, thank you so much!

[Haasino]

3. And I know SERE is kind of an unspoken thing, but I've aways been beyond interested in aircrew and I'm wondering if anyone has any insight or advice. Also, if you fail out or DOR of NACCS or SERE, I'm assuming you just go back to your NIOC and keep your rating?

SERE isn't that bad... okay, yeah it is... but you can't actually DOR from it (For obvious reasons, there is no such thing as a DOR or Training Time Out policy out there); once you hit the field, you're either leaving on a gurney, or you're walking out with a certificate. As far as NACCS goes, it's tougher than most Navy schools... but nowhere near SpecWar tough. Check out some of the threads in the AW subforum for specifics.

I'd definitely advocate for Aircrew... but then I'm also biased.

[momtinez]

I'd definitely advocate for Aircrew... but then I'm also biased.

I honestly wanted to be an air(wo)man so ungodly bad, but the opportunities with CTI were too much for me to pass up. I've read through all the AW threads numerous times though, including every single one of your posts lol and at least CT gives me the opportunity to do both. Id like to become an officer eventually and the plans (unless Intel really speaks to me) was initially NFO or pilot. So I'd have to do all the aircrew stuff anyways. I qualified for everything in MEPS, so that's always good. Can't wait until I can figure all this out and get the ball rolling. Just gotta wait until my ship date...

[Brandon7310]

I Just finished with MEPS and picked CTT with a 6 year contract, I was wondering how long I can expect school to be? i have been trying to read up online... but I get mostly mixed answers so any help would be greatly appreciated

My second question would be would i spend most of my time on a ship or am i able to get just as much shore time?

i ship on 20150601 to RTC.

[momtinez]

I Just finished with MEPS and picked CTT with a 6 year contract, I was wondering how long I can expect school to be? i have been trying to read up online... but I get mostly mixed answers so any help would be greatly appreciated


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Hope that helped

[FlyNavy]

I Just finished with MEPS and picked CTT with a 6 year contract, I was wondering how long I can expect school to be? i have been trying to read up online... but I get mostly mixed answers so any help would be greatly appreciated

My second question would be would i spend most of my time on a ship or am i able to get just as much shore time?

i ship on 20150601 to RTC.

So as a 6 year you're going to be a technician (vs being an operator). Don't read into that too much; that just means you're in school longer to be trained on repairing the equipment. You still get to operate just as much as the rest of us.

Expect about a year and some change of time in Pensacola.

You'll definitely be on a ship your first tour. The average working day in port (when you're not on duty) is about 0700-1600. Underway, your work day will be 0700-1600 plus whatever hours you're standing watch. So you'll get plenty of time ashore, don't worry.

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[FlyNavy]

If you have specific questions just let me know. I'm actually working today so I just don't have a ton of time to get really into detail. I can touch base this week though!

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[Brandon7310]

So as a 6 year you're going to be a technician (vs being an operator). Don't read into that too much; that just means you're in school longer to be trained on repairing the equipment. You still get to operate just as much as the rest of us.

Expect about a year and some change of time in Pensacola.

You'll definitely be on a ship your first tour. The average working day in port (when you're not on duty) is about 0700-1600. Underway, your work day will be 0700-1600 plus whatever hours you're standing watch. So you'll get plenty of time ashore, don't worry.

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thanks a ton i really appreciate the response, if i can think of any questions i will definitely message you with them.

[CTR3(IW/SG) Freddie]

I have a buddy of mine in my class that is really interested in the TIO but he is a reservists. Would he be able to, after a few years, be able to apply straight to TIO and then go active duty? Or would he need to make the switch to active and then do a few years before he can start the application process? We are just curious because usually active duty would have to do a tour first from my understanding.

[FlyNavy]

I have a buddy of mine in my class that is really interested in the TIO but he is a reservists. Would he be able to, after a few years, be able to apply straight to TIO and then go active duty? Or would he need to make the switch to active and then do a few years before he can start the application process? We are just curious because usually active duty would have to do a tour first from my understanding.

There is a reserve TIO unit, but they're only taking prior active guys who already have the NEC. So he wouldn't be able to get into it straight through the reserves. They want the guys they take to be seasoned and have some operations under their belt, and as a reservist, you just aren't going to be able to get that kind of expierance.

If TIO is something he really has his heart set on, then he would need to go active duty first, do a full tour as a CT, and then he could apply.

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[FlyNavy]

They are verrryyyy picky about who they take or don't take. So that's why the rules are a little inflexible.

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[FlyNavy]

Bumping for any CT related questions from deppers.

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[FlyNavy]

Bumping for a new member

[Jeff]

I am going in as a reservist, is this a job I could qualify for? My recruiter says everything is available to me. I've been to MEPS (just the physical part) interview will be when my financial waiver comes approved.

[blacktemplar]

I am going in as a reservist, is this a job I could qualify for? My recruiter says everything is available to me. I've been to MEPS (just the physical part) interview will be when my financial waiver comes approved.

Yes, all the CT rates are open to reservists.

[jzhaun]

Not exactly. Reservist CTIs exist, but you can only be a reservist CTI if you were an AD CTI first.

[FlyNavy]

I am going in as a reservist, is this a job I could qualify for? My recruiter says everything is available to me. I've been to MEPS (just the physical part) interview will be when my financial waiver comes approved.

Sorry I'm late on this. A lot came up during this week for me Ops wise.

Yes, CTT is totally open to you as a reservist. We have quite a few and they're outstanding Sailors.

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[blacktemplar]

CTT1,
Since you're the head of a CTN shop, do your sailors have time, after their initial quals and warfare pin to use TA to get school done?
I wanted to get a BS in CompSci when I'm in.
Thanks

[FlyNavy]

CTT1,
Since you're the head of a CTN shop, do your sailors have time, after their initial quals and warfare pin to use TA to get school done?
I wanted to get a BS in CompSci when I'm in.
Thanks

They absolutely do! I've actually got a sailor with 2 bachelors; one in Biology and one in Engineering.

Totally doable.

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[CTR3(IW/SG) Freddie]

Can you get a four year degree in four years, or does it take longer usually?

[FlyNavy]

Can you get a four year degree in four years, or does it take longer usually?

Typically it takes a bit longer, but that's coming from a sea-duty guy. On shore duty it's totally doable if you're willing to put in the work. It won't however be like regular college. You'll be doing classes along with a full time job; so keep that in mind.

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[Haasino]

It won't however be like regular college. You'll be doing classes along with a full time job; so keep that in mind.

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Sounds like regular college when I was getting my bachelor's... lol.

[FlyNavy]

Sounds like regular college when I was getting my bachelor's... lol.

^^^ haha

[FlyNavy]

Bumping for new members

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[friedsteak]

Shipping out soon as a CTR.


As a junior CT going surface, what's the likelihood I'll go on small decks vs a carrier?

I'm on the fence about subs, if I don't volunteer will this negatively impact my career?

Is Aircrew closed to first enlistment CTs?

How competitive is TIO?

At the time of reenlistment, do you get to choose your next command? Say a sailor has been DIRSUP for X many years and now they want to be stationed at an NIOC, is it likely the Navy will accommodate them? I want duty at an NIOC at some point in my future career so I can better transition into a three letter agency after service, but I want to travel and experience the Navy's many platforms beforehand.

[FlyNavy]

Shipping out soon as a CTR. Congrats! It's an awesome rate with tons of opportunities to do cool sh!t!


As a junior CT going surface, what's the likelihood I'll go on small decks vs a carrier?
Something that specific is really needs of the Navy at the time you're up for orders. But there are more small boys than big decks, so if that's what you're looking for then it shouldn't be that hard.

I'm on the fence about subs, if I don't volunteer will this negatively impact my career? CT's only go on subs as part of DIRSUP (direct support). They're their own community in their own right and not being part of that won't affect you negatively at all. DIRSUP shops are part of NIOC's, so you would be there and deploy out as needed to do your mission work.

Is Aircrew closed to first enlistment CTs? Aircrew is totally open if there's spots available and you can hack it.

How competitive is TIO? Highly. Think less "competitive" though and more "selective". To be eligible for TIO you need to have at least 1 tour as a CT before hand, so this is closed to first tour Sailors. Once you're eligible, you would submit a package and a TIO recruiter would be in contact with you. You would need to meet SpecWar physical standards and they also comb through your entire life (it gets down pretty personal). Even if you meet all that criteria, you have to be someone they want in the teams. If they don't feel like you're the kind of guy they want with them while they're getting shot at, then you aren't gonna get in no matter how qualified you are.

At the time of reenlistment, do you get to choose your next command? Say a sailor has been DIRSUP for X many years and now they want to be stationed at an NIOC, is it likely the Navy will accommodate them? I want duty at an NIOC at some point in my future career so I can better transition into a three letter agency after service, but I want to travel and experience the Navy's many platforms beforehand.

DIRSUP shops work out of NIOC's, so you would be killing 2 birds with one stone. At a NIOC you'll also be working closely with three letter agencies, so you'll have plenty of time to network and get a feel for everything. If you have some longevity in your Navy career as a CT, you're definitely going to end up at a NIOC at some point.

In regards to orders; when your first contract is up, that's when you contact the detailer (guy who sends you orders) and you negotiate with him based on what's available, what you're qualified to do, and what you wanna do career wise.

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[FlyNavy]

CT's as a whole are the technical side of intelligence (hence the SIGINT aspect). Where IS's think about the big picture, we're down in the weeds looking at actual signals, 1's and 0's, you name it. So just in general, focus on your technical skills first before going off and doing high-speed stuff like TIO, Aircrew, and DIRSUP. If you're weak as a CT in tech skills then you aren't worth much lol

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[jzhaun]

DIRSUP shops work out of NIOC's, so you would be killing 2 birds with one stone. At a NIOC you'll also be working closely with three letter agencies, so you'll have plenty of time to network and get a feel for everything. If you have some longevity in your Navy career as a CT, you're definitely going to end up at a NIOC at some point.

Mileage may vary here. Where I work, the DIRSUP guys are a completely separate facility and don't interact with the rest of us very often. I doubt most of them have been able to network much.

[friedsteak]

Thanks for your reply. I won't wrap my head around it too much, since it won't be up to me but it sounds like an NIOC gives a wider range of job knowledge? Being a good sailor is definitely higher on my priority list than traveling.

[FlyNavy]

Thanks for your reply. I won't wrap my head around it too much, since it won't be up to me but it sounds like an NIOC gives a wider range of job knowledge? Being a good sailor is definitely higher on my priority list than traveling.

Being at sea (or in the air) is the best way to learn. The more time you spend ashore the more your skills will languish. Unless youre one of those weird linguist folks ;)

[jzhaun]

Being at sea (or in the air) is the best way to learn. The more time you spend ashore the more your skills will languish. Unless youre one of those weird linguist folks ;)

Yep, the reverse is true for us. Dirsuppers on long deployments have a much harder time maintaining their languages since many of our resources are only available on shore. I will find a way to deploy at some point though. It's going to happen.

[futuresailorCTN]

I signed a few weeks ago for CTN in the reserve. Would anyone happen to have some insight into what the job entails for reservists? I understand that most of what you do as a reservist is really just training, but are there ever any opportunities to support active duty CT's, federal agencies, etc. on drill weekends? Also, are there ever any opportunities for reserve CTN's to volunteer for deployments or is that mostly handled entirely by the active CT community? I've heard of some Army cyber guys doing this so I'm just wondering for the future.

Okay, one more question (maybe :eyes:); What kind of benefit does the reserve have on civilian job marketability? I'm about 3/4 through my comsci degree and I'm hoping to combine that with my reserve experience to eventually land some sort of federal cybersecurity position. Not to say that this is the only reason I'm joining the reserve, I'm just thinking long term.

If any of this has already been answered, just tell me because I'm sure I could have missed it. Thanks everyone!

[FlyNavy]

Got this question in my inbox:

Do CTT's travel a lot?

Is A and C school extremely hard?

Do they do a lot of maintenance or "fixing" with the technology or do they mostly operate it?

Are you likely to be able to get a good first duty station being a CTT? (Italy, Hawaii, or anywhere overseas?)

Does the CTT rate have a large amount of people in it?
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Travel: I went to 30 countries on 3 continents onboard my first ship. Now that can vary; I was on a small boy that could get into more ports and was also an independent deployer, whereas a Carrier couldn't do that much. But it all depends on the ship and deployment schedule. In a nutshell though, we have the capability to travel a ton.

School: A-school for us is at Corry Station in Pensacola, FL...THE BEST DAMN A-SCHOOL LOCATION IN THE NAVY. You'll start with Entry Level ELINT (known simply as ELE). The hardest part about the class for most people is memorizing things, but practice makes perfect and rarely does someone fail enough to drop. C-school if you're a tech consists of a few more months learning to fix the gear. If you're going to a ship, you'll also go through Shipboard Operations (Shipboard Ops) to learn to operate the AN/SLQ-32 (pronounced Slick-32). Overall, if you qualified for the job then mentally you should be fine.

Maintenance: There is a specific NEC for the school to repair the gear (If your contract is for 6 years, this is you). But what separates us from other rates is that we also operate our equipment. 4 year guys are strictly operators, but you're gonna be helping with the maintenance anyway so don't stress. Your watch station will be in the Combat Information Center (CIC, aka "Combat") manning the SLQ-32. CTT's are responsible for all Electronic Warfare duties onboard as well as Anti-Ship Missile Defense (ASMD). If the ship gets shot at with a missile, it's our job to stop that sh!t; and you have seconds to respond so you better know your sh!t or people die. That dovetails nicely with doing maintenance on the gear as well as operating it, because you get a chance to become a technical expert with your equipment.

Duty Stations: This totally depends on what's going on for the detailer at the specific time you're up for orders. As a first tour Sailor, you really don't get much say in where you go. When it comes time to re-enlist, that's when you get options. As a whole though, CTT's can go basically anywhere in the world. I landed in Florida, but 2 guys went to Japan, 1 to Washington state, 3 to Cali, and a couple to Norfolk. Just depends on the needs of the Navy when you're applying for orders.

Rate size: We're larger than some of the other CT rates, but compared to the rest of the Navy it's a small community. Stay in long enough and you'll start knowing people all over the place. I love our rate and I love the people in it. We all see pretty like minded and like what we do.

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[FlyNavy]

If you have further questions or need clarification, keep them coming!

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[FutureSailorBur]

Thank you! I also was wondering how they did your security clearance? Like what does it consist of? Who interviewed you?

[FlyNavy]

Thank you! I also was wondering how they did your security clearance? Like what does it consist of? Who interviewed you?

Your process will go something like this:

Fill out an SF-86 (typically your recruiter gives you this; you've probably already done it.)

That will head off and get assigned to an investigator who will start doing background checks with law enforcement, credit checks, ect, ect.

Once that's done, they'll start interviewing the folks you listed as contacts (people who know you well) They'll also ask them for contacts and will talk to those people, so you never really know who they're going to meet with when it's all said and done.

At A-school you'll do another interview with some security folks to go over everything.

If you're bound for certain shore duty stations, you'll need to complete a polygraph as well. Don't sweat this one at all, it's EASY. Pretty much "hey....you a spy?". Don't believe all the stupid stories people make up about the FBI or CIA or who ever doing theirs (it's BS).

If you're not heading to one of those sites, you won't need one (this is the most likely case).

Just jump through the hoops and you'll be fine. Doesn't really take much work on your part.

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[FlyNavy]

Bumping for a new user

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[texasag15]

Just some background info:
Finishing a B.S. in Economics this December at TAMU (gig 'em ags!) and looking at going in as a CTN (I've looked at the other CT rates as well as IT and I've pretty much decided that it's CTN or bust for me).

Recruiter told me he couldn't really give me a good number regarding demand until after the new FY in October, so I understand if you can't really give a precise answer. I figured maybe being inside the community you might have a little more knowledge. Anyway, questions:

1. What's the demand look like for CTNs?

2. What are the most likely duty stations for CTNs to go to right now for first
tour (INCONUS)? (I understand if you can't really answer this one as well due to the whole not knowing demand issue)

3. How quickly (keep in mind I'm going in as an E3) does one usually get put into a leadership position within the community?

4. What opportunities for personal growth (certs, training, etc.) could I expect to be available outside required job training?

5. What is the job market like for CTNs post-Navy? (i.e. Are DoD contractors fighting over them because of the clearance and/or skills? Is there a specific position you see a larger number former CTNs going into?)

6. Typical day in the life of a CTN? (I understand that there isn't a lot that can be said with this one, but I figure there's no harm in asking)

These are the main ones I can think of right now. I'm sure that I'll have more once I learn more.

Thanks for any and all help.

[FlyNavy]

Just some background info:
Finishing a B.S. in Economics this December at TAMU (gig 'em ags!) and looking at going in as a CTN (I've looked at the other CT rates as well as IT and I've pretty much decided that it's CTN or bust for me).

Recruiter told me he couldn't really give me a good number regarding demand until after the new FY in October, so I understand if you can't really give a precise answer. I figured maybe being inside the community you might have a little more knowledge. Anyway, questions:

1. What's the demand look like for CTNs?

Every month, each rates Community Manager (a Master Chief in charge of manning levels within their rate) puts out a Community Overview slide showing the manning levels at every pay grade and year group. Here is the slide for CTNs

http://www.npc.navy.mil/bupers-npc/enlisted/community/crypto_it/Pages/CTN.aspx

As a whole for E3 and E4 area, it looks pretty wide open. So it'll come down to A) if you qualify and B) is there a quota the month you're going to go down there and pick a rate. With the way it looks though, if you qualify then you shouldn't have too much trouble getting it. You're recruiter is being lazy for not looking that up (it's possible he doesn't know about it, but that's a weak excuse for a Petty Officer). October has nothing to do with it as this gets updated monthly. He's just thinking for when the budget starts over (Oct is the start of the fiscal calendar) and they can start paying for orders and billets to get you guys shipped out.

2. What are the most likely duty stations for CTNs to go to right now for first
tour (INCONUS)? (I understand if you can't really answer this one as well due to the whole not knowing demand issue)

You'll be going to a NIOC for your first tour, almost without a doubt. So NIOC Texas, Georgia, Washington (Ft Meade), Hawaii, or in rare cases, Pensacola. If you don't end up at one of these as your first tour, you're the exception lol

3. How quickly (keep in mind I'm going in as an E3) does one usually get put into a leadership position within the community?

It will depend on how you are as an individual, what quals you've gotten, and what the makeup is of your shop rank wise. If there's a ton of PO2's, then I'm not gonna put a Seaman or PO3 in charge. You'll make PO2 fairly quick though compared to other rates. Also, you'll be working in a joint environment; so you'll also be in competition with them in some cases.

4. What opportunities for personal growth (certs, training, etc.) could I expect to be available outside required job training?

At a minimum we'll send you to get your CCNA, maybe your CEH, etc. It'll depend what shop you end up in but you'll definitely get some certs out of your time
5. What is the job market like for CTNs post-Navy? (i.e. Are DoD contractors fighting over them because of the clearance and/or skills? Is there a specific position you see a larger number former CTNs going into?)

You're not gonna have a hard time finding work outside of the Navy. I wouldn't say contractors are fighting over them, but if you wanna come back there's usually at least the opportunity. I can't comment on specific positions we're taking though for OPSEC purposes. But suffice to say you'll be able to find work either as a contractor or with a civilian company.

6. Typical day in the life of a CTN? (I understand that there isn't a lot that can be said with this one, but I figure there's no harm in asking)

0700: Get to work
0730: Quarters with your division
0800-1130: REDACTED
1130-1230: Lunch
1230-1600: REDACTED
1600+: Go home

Obviously I can't discuss what you'll be doing at work. Even if I could, it varies wildly depending on what shop you work in. But suffice to say you'll have plenty of cool shit to work on. And when you're not busy, you're working on quals or learning new shit.

These are the main ones I can think of right now. I'm sure that I'll have more once I learn more.

Thanks for any and all help.

Yep! I'll throw in some bonus material here though.
I'm the LPO of a cyber division right now, so here are some of the basic things I have new guys coming into my shop explain to me so I can gauge their level of knowledge:
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I expect you to be able to subnet without a subnetting calculator and be able to explain to me the basics of networking (routers, switches, hubs, ect). This is basic knowledge.

Explain how PKI works (public keys, private keys, etc.)

Explain how DNS works.

What's a traceroute?

Explain what a Hash is. If you get that, what's salting?
And if you get that, what's more secure: hashing or encrypting? Why?

What's the difference between a threat and a vulnerability?


Anyway, that's just a few. But those are all pretty basic questions so if you're struggling with those start doing your homework.

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[texasag15]

Thank you for that information regarding the current manning as well as the technical insight, CTT1.
Another question I had regarding my recruiter & MEPS: When I was talking to my recruiter and told him that the only job I'm honestly willing to sign for was CTN, he told me that he wouldn't send me to MEPS and that I need to give him several of my other choices before he'd send me down. Is this a normal occurrence within recruiting or do I just need to seek out a different recruiter?

[FlyNavy]

Thank you for that information regarding the current manning as well as the technical insight, CTT1.
Another question I had regarding my recruiter & MEPS: When I was talking to my recruiter and told him that the only job I'm honestly willing to sign for was CTN, he told me that he wouldn't send me to MEPS and that I need to give him several of my other choices before he'd send me down. Is this a normal occurrence within recruiting or do I just need to seek out a different recruiter?

That's pretty normal since it costs money to send you down and it's not like they can guarantee if CTN will be available or not, or if you even qualify yet. So why would the Navy spend money on your hotel, food, and medical exam if you limit them on your options for joining? It's the military, not Burger King haha (ie you can't always have it your way)

Nobody says you have to sign for something else, but with them you need to have options, because if CTN isn't available then you just wasted their time and money.

Also, CTN isn't the only rate that does Cyber. CTR's are there, I'm down there, and there's CTI's that help out. Honestly I would look into CTR, as they can do Cyber as well (and they do), as well as a huge spectrum of other cool shit. They also can go to sea, on airplanes, Special Warfare, and submarines, whereas CTNs are going to be stuck shore based in an office their whole careers. Just something to think about.

Just say you're interested in the other CT rates as well, maybe IT. Nobody says you have to sign for those anyway, it makes them feel more cozy, and you get your MEPS processing done. It's a win-win.

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[texasag15]

Found this and trying to understand everything on this slide. Anyone mind "translating" what I'm seeing on here?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB8QFjAAahUKEwir3vTHirHHAhWBFJIKHVdvAQw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.public.navy.mil%2Fbupers-npc%2Fenlisted%2Fcommunity%2Fcrypto_it%2FDocuments %2FCTN%2520Community%2520Summary%2520Sheet.ppt&ei=91TSVeuGHYGpyATX3oVg&usg=AFQjCNHTYJ6Ou5ikUbpWYn_t6qnFQdQqow&bvm=bv.99804247,d.aWw

[FlyNavy]

Found this and trying to understand everything on this slide. Anyone mind "translating" what I'm seeing on here?


That's April's slide, so don't use it. You can download the newest one here:

http://www.npc.navy.mil/bupers-npc/enlisted/community/crypto_it/Pages/CTN.aspx

It basically shows you the manning levels at each paygrade, sea/shore, Zone A/B/C/D/E (groups of how long you've been in. You're group A), advancement opportunities, and overall manning levels as a percent of what it should be.

For each rate there is a Community Manager in Millington, TN (typically a Master Chief) who creates these slides to show where their rate is at manning wise and to announce any specifics (like Hey! We need more of NEC XXXX or something). These Master Chiefs are essentially the head of their respective rates for most things. Don't confuse this with a Detailer though; the Community Managers just do manning levels. They have zero say in where you get assigned.

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Friendly disclaimer: The community managers ARE NOT a point of contact for a Depper. Don't contact them asking what's gonna be available when, MEPS questions, anything. They're not gonna be able to do anything for you and it's not a good idea to piss off the head of your prospective rate haha

[kalenbobalen]

My recruiter is pretty useless about everything CT related, so he gave me absolutely no indication of what my scores mean. My ASVAB is pretty self-explanatory (97%ile) but I'm super confused as to what my DLAB score of 141 means for my hopeful future as a CTI.

[jzhaun]

141 is a good score for the DLAB, it shows you have a high chance of being able to pick up other languages quickly. They'll probably give you a CAT IV with that score, but it'll depend on what's available when you go to bootcamp.

[DGladhill]

Just curious, what do ( does? ) CTM / CTT / CTR translate to career wise in the civilian world?

[FlyNavy]

Just curious, what do ( does? ) CTM / CTT / CTR translate to career wise in the civilian world?

Overall, signals intelligence is a primarily military/government job. You'll be in a good position with industry experience and your clearance to work at a wide range of federal agencies (pretty much any 3-letter: NSA, CIA, DIA, ect, etc)

They also translate well to anything in the technology field. So if you wanna go on to do say, system administration or security or something, you've already got a background doing technical work. CTM and the 6yr (AEF) CTT track will give you a ton of hands-on electronics training as well.

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[DGladhill]

Overall, signals intelligence is a primarily military/government job. You'll be in a good position with industry experience and your clearance to work at a wide range of federal agencies (pretty much any 3-letter: NSA, CIA, DIA, ect, etc)

They also translate well to anything in the technology field. So if you wanna go on to do say, system administration or security or something, you've already got a background doing technical work. CTM and the 6yr (AEF) CTT track will give you a ton of hands-on electronics training as well.

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Appreciate the response CTT1.

[FlyNavy]

Bumping for new user

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[Rmil]

I'm going to MEPS in 2 days for my physical and to pick my job. I was thinking about CTR, CTN, CTT, or IT. If none of these are available what jobs should I ask for? I already have some coding experience and I would prefer to stay within the technology field. Thanks ;)

[FlyNavy]

I'm going to MEPS in 2 days for my physical and to pick my job. I was thinking about CTR, CTN, CTT, or IT. If none of these are available what jobs should I ask for? I already have some coding experience and I would prefer to stay within the technology field. Thanks ;)

If none of those are available your best bet would be ET or FC (you would contract as AECF and then go either of those routes later one). Both get to work on and do cool shit and both are heavily technology based.

A 6 year STG gets knee deep into the sonar gear, which can be fun, and they are also kind of similar to CTs in some aspects.

Anything on submarines too is going to be techy; especially FC/ET or STS (STG for subs).

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[Rmil]

If none of those are available your best bet would be ET or FC (you would contract as AECF and then go either of those routes later one). Both get to work on and do cool shit and both are heavily technology based.

A 6 year STG gets knee deep into the sonar gear, which can be fun, and they are also kind of similar to CTs in some aspects.

Anything on submarines too is going to be techy; especially FC/ET or STS (STG for subs).

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Thank you I'm gonna write all of these on a scrap corner of paper to take with me to the hotel tomorrow. ;-)

[griggchloe]

I'm going to MEPS in on Monday and I am supposed to pick my rate. But, my recruiter and I haven't talked at all about what rate would be the best for me. Is that normal? Or is that something that we should be talking about?'

Ive been looking at CTT, or something in the Crypto field.

Also, If I do get this rate, would 6 years or 4 years be better? I plan on being in for the long haul. But I have heard some controversy over how many years to sign for initially.

Thank you in advance!

[FlyNavy]

I'm going to MEPS in on Monday and I am supposed to pick my rate. But, my recruiter and I haven't talked at all about what rate would be the best for me. Is that normal? Or is that something that we should be talking about?'

Ive been looking at CTT, or something in the Crypto field.

Also, If I do get this rate, would 6 years or 4 years be better? I plan on being in for the long haul. But I have heard some controversy over how many years to sign for initially.

Thank you in advance!

Your recruiter and you should absolutely be talking about jobs. That's the entire reason you're there.

(Speaking about CTTs here) As far as 6y vs 4y, the 6y guys are technicians that get extra electronics training in Pensacola. Typically they will be on ships for most of their career. 4y folks have more lateral ability to go between communities (ship, sub, air, etc). If you want more on the technical side than operations, the 6y contract would be better. If you enjoy the operational side more then the 4y route would be better.

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[Saturnal]

How seriously does the Navy take foreign contacts in regards to a TS clearance? I had a prior relationship with a Chinese national and (foolishly I guess) tried to update my foreign contact information. They had me cut contact (something I was opposed to) and write a statement. The nature of the relationship was close friendship/language exchange. Will it disqualify me? I'm afraid of shipping only to find out I'm ineligible for TS and have to do some undesirable job.

Also, what is CTN A-school like? Should I bother getting IT certifications like A+ or Network+? Thank you.

[FlyNavy]

How seriously does the Navy take foreign contacts in regards to a TS clearance? I had a prior relationship with a Chinese national and (foolishly I guess) tried to update my foreign contact information. They had me cut contact (something I was opposed to) and write a statement. The nature of the relationship was close friendship/language exchange. Will it disqualify me? I'm afraid of shipping only to find out I'm ineligible for TS and have to do some undesirable job.

Also, what is CTN A-school like? Should I bother getting IT certifications like A+ or Network+? Thank you.

Foreign Contacts are a BIG deal. It's not an outright disqualifier though, unless you try to hide it and it gets discovered (they will find it eventually, trust me). If you're planning on going into the Intel/Crypto world, continuing contact with someone in China is going to be an issue. Get everything well documented and let DONCAF make the call.

As far as CTN school, don't bother going to get those certs yourself. All those CompTIA certs are incredibly low level and not worth your time. If you want to learn the material, go for it, but if it were me I would recommend studying for the CCNA over any of the CompTIA certs.

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[Saturnal]

Foreign Contacts are a BIG deal. It's not an outright disqualifier though, unless you try to hide it and it gets discovered (they will find it eventually, trust me). If you're planning on going into the Intel/Crypto world, continuing contact with someone in China is going to be an issue. Get everything well documented and let DONCAF make the call.

As far as CTN school, don't bother going to get those certs yourself. All those CompTIA certs are incredibly low level and not worth your time. If you want to learn the material, go for it, but if it were me I would recommend studying for the CCNA over any of the CompTIA certs.

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Thank you very much for the information. I haven't heard anything in regards to my clearance situation, my recruiters said no news is good news and that I would most likely be alright.

Another question, what are the possibilities for travel as a CTN? I'm aware that most CTNs work at shoreside station, so I presume the travel isn't great. I've read about DIRSUP, how difficult would it be to get as a CTN and what would it entail?

EDIT: Another question. For foreign contacts, does it matter by country or should it be avoided entirely? Prior to enlisting I had a lot of penpals. Would a friend from Taiwan be acceptable as opposed to a friend from China?

[jzhaun]

You haven't heard anything because they haven't even started your ts, and they won't until after you ship out.

Travel opportunities for Ns are very limited. They don't do DIRSUP.

China is a bigger deal than Taiwan, but any foreign contacts you maintain will at the very least delay your clearance because they have to be investigated, if not outright disqualify you. Everyone I knew who had foreign contacts spent months, sometimes years waiting on their clearances while the rest of us were working.

[Saturnal]

You haven't heard anything because they haven't even started your ts, and they won't until after you ship out.

Travel opportunities for Ns are very limited. They don't do DIRSUP.

China is a bigger deal than Taiwan, but any foreign contacts you maintain will at the very least delay your clearance because they have to be investigated, if not outright disqualify you. Everyone I knew who had foreign contacts spent months, sometimes years waiting on their clearances while the rest of us were working.

Thank you very much for the information!

[FlyNavy]

Thank you very much for the information. I haven't heard anything in regards to my clearance situation, my recruiters said no news is good news and that I would most likely be alright.

Another question, what are the possibilities for travel as a CTN? I'm aware that most CTNs work at shoreside station, so I presume the travel isn't great. I've read about DIRSUP, how difficult would it be to get as a CTN and what would it entail?

EDIT: Another question. For foreign contacts, does it matter by country or should it be avoided entirely? Prior to enlisting I had a lot of penpals. Would a friend from Taiwan be acceptable as opposed to a friend from China?

Really anyone that isn't from a Five Eyes country (US, UK, AUS, CAN, NZ) is going to be heavily scrutinized. Be upfront with all of your contacts and don't hide anything; failure to report something like that is grounds to lose your clearance for good.

CTNs don't travel really. DIRSUP is not something an N-brancher would be eligible for. In rare cases, there are a few N's that go aboard ships while they're in port to help do some network stuff, but they won't be getting underway with them. The overwhelming majority of N's are at shore sites.

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[Bakerz1]

Hey, thanks for posting all the great info. . My son is CTR in boot camp as I type this he is more than half done. We are trying to get an idea of when and how visit(s) to see him in A school work as far as liberty, goes etc.

Anything you can think of that would be helpful and or meaningful for a graduation/Christmas present for a new CTR . We are thinking he probably needs a g-shock watch or something similar and possible a laptop or tablet. . Something that will help him ?

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[FlyNavy]

Hey, thanks for posting all the great info. . My son is CTR in boot camp as I type this he is more than half done. We are trying to get an idea of when and how visit(s) to see him in A school work as far as liberty, goes etc.

Anything you can think of that would be helpful and or meaningful for a graduation/Christmas present for a new CTR . We are thinking he probably needs a g-shock watch or something similar and possible a laptop or tablet. . Something that will help him ?

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Hey there and welcome to the site!

As far as liberty goes once he get's down to Corry Station:
When he arrives he'll get placed on Phase 1 liberty. He most likely won't be authorized to go off base, he'll have several musters throughout the day, and won't be authorized to wear civilian clothes.

After a few weeks he'll be granted Phase 2 in which he can have some off base time and can wear civis again. Phase 3 will be at the discretion of his leadership but shouldn't be more than a few weeks after that.

If you're planning a visit, wait until he get's to Phase 3 since he'll have the most freedom then. He'll be at Corry for several months either waiting for class or being in class, so you guys will have plenty of time.

**OPSEC NOTE** Remember that he'll be doing classified work, so please don't dig into what he's doing in class. Also, don't take photos of any of the school buildings while on base at Corry Station (that's a quick way to lose your camera in some cases.)


For a gift, personally I would probably say laptop or tablet since that's something he can take around and use. Although a watch is always great since I'm constantly harping on junior sailors to be on time haha I'm sure he'll appreciate anything.

Let me know if you have any more questions!

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[Bakerz1]

Thanks for the valuable advice! I assume by dig into what school is about you mean asking him questions. I get that after basic, we are not going to hear more than how food is, that class is going well etc. I have been trying to read up a bit so I understand what he is doing but I get and fully support that his rate and what he does must be protected and classified. Thanks again for the great info, I am certain more questions will come up. Oh as far as PIR, think the Navy Lodge is best or is he going to want to get off base?

[FlyNavy]

Thanks for the valuable advice! I assume by dig into what school is about you mean asking him questions. I get that after basic, we are not going to hear more than how food is, that class is going well etc. I have been trying to read up a bit so I understand what he is doing but I get and fully support that his rate and what he does must be protected and classified. Thanks again for the great info, I am certain more questions will come up. Oh as far as PIR, think the Navy Lodge is best or is he going to want to get off base?

I'm sure you guys will be fine haha

And on base lodging is usually pretty decent but obviously it can fill up quickly. There are plenty of options as well all within 30m of the base.

Looking forward to welcoming you all into the Navy family!

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[blueice6102]

IS CT(R) a desk rider/desk jockey rate? Do you get to go to sea?

[FlyNavy]

IS CT(R) a desk rider/desk jockey rate? Do you get to go to sea?

Not by any means. They absolutely get out to sea on ships and can also take special duty doing submarines or aircrew. CTR and CTT are the two most versatile of the CT rates.

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[blueice6102]

Not by any means. They absolutely get out to sea on ships and can also take special duty doing submarines or aircrew. CTR and CTT are the two most versatile of the CT rates.

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Thank you.

[CELKali]

Long ass post, I apologize, but I figure it'd best to get all questions in one post than twenty.

Howdy, I'm 22 years old, been to college and back, and have decided to join the Navy after having a horrible time trying to find a job in my chosen field (film). I went through MEPS a few weeks ago, came out with a Seaman Pact (long, frustrating story), wherein my former Navy brother told me to get back in there and get a real rate.
A day later, I took my brother and my parents in to my recruiter, ready to fight for the right to get an actual rate on my contract, with a list of rates I qualified for and that I wanted. Things in CT were at the top because I figured I wouldn't get them since they weren't open at MEPS the day previous and they were 'dream jobs'.
Before I could even get a word in, the recruiter says, "I know you want to say some things, but first let me tell you what I found that I think will be the perfect fit for you, it's in CT...." And I was dumbfounded. There was an opening for the CTR path, my #1 choice! He made a bunch of phone calls around the States and found someone who was falling out of the field while in DEPS. It's not all done and signed just yet, but the rate is basically mine. Needless to say, I'm metaphorically in love with my recruiter.

Now, because I wasn't anticipating this, at all, I neglected to put my first two jobs (working at two different McDonald's) on the NASIS, since both recruiters told me they weren't important (one was from almost eight years ago, the other didn't last a year; wasn't fired from either). I read a thread on the CTR subboard about a kid having to repeatedly call home from RTC getting all the info from his jobs and everyday life that he didn't know off hand for the SSBI.

- Am I going to need to know the info (specific start and end dates) of these two jobs for the SSBI? And does the SSBI do a medical history background check, or is it the same 'medical history' as MEPS (were you ever depressed/suicidal/in the ER, etc- no? Good, anyways....)? I'm getting slightly nervous that I might have forgotten something, or skipped over something I didn't think was near important. Speaking of...

- My grandmother is German (married a Marine), am I going to have to know her history (as far as becoming a US citizen), or is it irrelevant since she's not immediate family?

- Also, I'm unmarried, completely single, and not planning on getting in any sort of relationship anytime soon. Would I be able to have my first station somewhere outside the US? My recruiter told me that top of the class gets first pick on where they want to be stationed (as was the genuine case with him 17 years ago), but I've since read that this is kinda sorta bullshit, and much like my former Marine bother (I have two older brothers), they'll put you where they need you (he did end up in Hawaii, but I'm not nearly as interested in a tropical 'paradise', but somewhere by an actual ocean would be nice considering this is the Navy). But if the latter statement is true, are my chances of being stationed abroad still relatively high?

- As for A-School liberty, my sister is getting married in October (2016), and I'd have been out of RTC for three months by then. I'm her Maid of Honor, and was wondering if I'd be able to make the wedding, if only for two days. It's on a weekend. I know you get 2.5 days/m of PTO, but does that start while in A-School, or only when you're out and with the fleet? My backup plan, should I not be able to make it, is record a video of my speech and send it to them, but I'd much rather be there in person.

- One last question, my student debt is currently on forbearance. Not for any legal reasons, but because I don't make enough money/m to pay it. I attempted to pay it for the first few months, but didn't have enough left over to be able to live. I plan on making a one month payment before I go to RTC and then place it on forbearance again. Once I get out of RTC, I plan on taking an allotment of my pay each month and placing into my student debt payments, and hopefully won't even have to do forbearance again. But will that be an issue up front?

I've always had an interest in intelligence, and CTR seems my best fit, especially considering that it's a 'floater' path, as in you're proficient in a number of things and go where you're needed and don't hang around after the job's done, which is me to a T. So I'm very excited about this rate and want everything to go as smoothly as possible. (As a side note, I'm a fan of The Blacklist and am fairly certain Red was a CTR after all the shit I've read on it :P)

Thanks for making this thread, too. I'm having a hard time finding info on the CTR path. There's loads of info on CTTs, CTIs, even CTMs, but it's hard to find much on CTR that isn't the same info over and over again.

[mb11g]

So I will keep this short and sweet! I am in an intel rate myself. Congrats on getting into the field, I think you may be over thinking it just a little bit lol. But I will only address the duty station and myths that go along with it. There is nothing set in stone about duty stations and being number one in the class. Though, it is very dependent on who is running the school house at the moment. Essentially what chief is in charge and what they want to go by. In IS "A" school I was number #1 in my class and yes... I got to pick between 20 available orders. Did people hate me for a week for picking orders they wanted or were close to home... YES. School gets competitive when it comes to active duty, so to keep it short. Work hard the whole time you are in school and stay out of trouble, even when those in charge are not looking. I finished top of the class and was able to get an overseas billet for my first command. So anything is possible if you work for it. Best of luck, let me know if you have any other questions!

[DGladhill]

Not sure where you're finding loads of info on CTMs, 'cus it's been a pain to find any! As for the leave, you should start accumulating whenever you start getting paid ( ie: bootcamp ). Taking leave on a weekend shouldn't be a big deal, talk to your chain of command when you get down to Pensacola and let them know up front.

As for forgetting stuff, I'm fairly certain the only time it becomes a problem is when you start "forgetting" things like major tickets, surgeries, incidents, etc.

[FlyNavy]

Long ass post, I apologize, but I figure it'd best to get all questions in one post than twenty.

Howdy, I'm 22 years old, been to college and back, and have decided to join the Navy after having a horrible time trying to find a job in my chosen field (film). I went through MEPS a few weeks ago, came out with a Seaman Pact (long, frustrating story), wherein my former Navy brother told me to get back in there and get a real rate.
A day later, I took my brother and my parents in to my recruiter, ready to fight for the right to get an actual rate on my contract, with a list of rates I qualified for and that I wanted. Things in CT were at the top because I figured I wouldn't get them since they weren't open at MEPS the day previous and they were 'dream jobs'.
Before I could even get a word in, the recruiter says, "I know you want to say some things, but first let me tell you what I found that I think will be the perfect fit for you, it's in CT...." And I was dumbfounded. There was an opening for the CTR path, my #1 choice! He made a bunch of phone calls around the States and found someone who was falling out of the field while in DEPS. It's not all done and signed just yet, but the rate is basically mine. Needless to say, I'm metaphorically in love with my recruiter.

Now, because I wasn't anticipating this, at all, I neglected to put my first two jobs (working at two different McDonald's) on the NASIS, since both recruiters told me they weren't important (one was from almost eight years ago, the other didn't last a year; wasn't fired from either). I read a thread on the CTR subboard about a kid having to repeatedly call home from RTC getting all the info from his jobs and everyday life that he didn't know off hand for the SSBI.

- Am I going to need to know the info (specific start and end dates) of these two jobs for the SSBI? And does the SSBI do a medical history background check, or is it the same 'medical history' as MEPS (were you ever depressed/suicidal/in the ER, etc- no? Good, anyways....)? I'm getting slightly nervous that I might have forgotten something, or skipped over something I didn't think was near important. Speaking of...

- My grandmother is German (married a Marine), am I going to have to know her history (as far as becoming a US citizen), or is it irrelevant since she's not immediate family?

- Also, I'm unmarried, completely single, and not planning on getting in any sort of relationship anytime soon. Would I be able to have my first station somewhere outside the US? My recruiter told me that top of the class gets first pick on where they want to be stationed (as was the genuine case with him 17 years ago), but I've since read that this is kinda sorta bullshit, and much like my former Marine bother (I have two older brothers), they'll put you where they need you (he did end up in Hawaii, but I'm not nearly as interested in a tropical 'paradise', but somewhere by an actual ocean would be nice considering this is the Navy). But if the latter statement is true, are my chances of being stationed abroad still relatively high?

- As for A-School liberty, my sister is getting married in October (2016), and I'd have been out of RTC for three months by then. I'm her Maid of Honor, and was wondering if I'd be able to make the wedding, if only for two days. It's on a weekend. I know you get 2.5 days/m of PTO, but does that start while in A-School, or only when you're out and with the fleet? My backup plan, should I not be able to make it, is record a video of my speech and send it to them, but I'd much rather be there in person.

- One last question, my student debt is currently on forbearance. Not for any legal reasons, but because I don't make enough money/m to pay it. I attempted to pay it for the first few months, but didn't have enough left over to be able to live. I plan on making a one month payment before I go to RTC and then place it on forbearance again. Once I get out of RTC, I plan on taking an allotment of my pay each month and placing into my student debt payments, and hopefully won't even have to do forbearance again. But will that be an issue up front?

I've always had an interest in intelligence, and CTR seems my best fit, especially considering that it's a 'floater' path, as in you're proficient in a number of things and go where you're needed and don't hang around after the job's done, which is me to a T. So I'm very excited about this rate and want everything to go as smoothly as possible. (As a side note, I'm a fan of The Blacklist and am fairly certain Red was a CTR after all the shit I've read on it :P)

Thanks for making this thread, too. I'm having a hard time finding info on the CTR path. There's loads of info on CTTs, CTIs, even CTMs, but it's hard to find much on CTR that isn't the same info over and over again.

Investigations: Yes, get that information if at all possible. An SSBI goes back 10 years, so if it falls in that scope, just go ahead and get it. If they end up not wanting it, then whatever, but it's waaay harder to get it after the fact. So just make it easier on yourself now and get it. As for medical history, no; the SSBI isn't concerned with your medical history outside of things like mental issues that might cause a security concern. IE if you had high blood pressure or something, nobody cares. Things we would care about would be histories of drug abuse, mental issues, suicidal tenancies, that kind of stuff that would make being in this job a no-go. Also of note is that they don't go digging up medical records or anything; this would come into play if someone they were interviewing about you brought it up. Then obviously they would need to follow up. But as a whole they don't go digging for your old doctors visits.

Wedding: During your training at A-school you won't be allowed to miss any training days. If this event falls on a weekend and you can prove that you'll be back on time then they might consider it, but being gone during a work day is going to be a hard no. As it comes up, speak with your chain of command and if there's some wiggle room they might be able to work with you. Staying on the side of caution though, if you're at a training command then just expect to be unavailable for things that don't involve training. It sucks but it's just part of life. If they let you go it'll be an exception and not the norm.

Loans: Debt is the single biggest issue in obtaining a clearance. The vast majority of espionage cases involved debt in money-for-secrets kind of deals. HOWEVER, things like student loans, car loans, etc, are considered normal things and don't raise big red flags if you're staying on top of them. If you've got records for your payments and have a solid payment plan in place then I wouldn't expect any issues from that. Just be mature and responsible with paying them and you'll be just fine. The debt that gets people in trouble is like gambling debt or just a craaaap ton of debt that you reasonably shouldn't have gotten into in the first place. Ya dig?


On mb11g's comment: Being top of your class at Corry Station won't have much if any bearing on your selection of orders. First tour Sailors are typically what we call "needs of the Navy" and are assigned where they are needed. CT's especially because there are so few of us and so many places we're needed, we just don't have the luxury to let the new guys cherry pick what they want. So expect your orders to be assigned to you versus being able to pick. Don't listen to what people in other rates have to say on the subject, as they have nothing to do with what happens in the CT community. (Not knocking you mb11, just speaking in general terms)

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[CELKali]

Alright, awesome, thanks for the replies. Puts me a bit more at ease now.

[Barbazu]

Thanks for the great thread! It's been a good read. I'm a depper (reserves) that ships out in May as a CTN. You've answered a ton of my questions. However, I have a couple more. I have a friend (that I met at church) that is from Kenya. She was here for college, but ended up moving to Scotland for medical school. I disclosed the relationship on my clearance forms, and gave an explanation of how we met and the nature of our relationship. Will this be an issue? Will it delay my clearance? Also, if I happened to not get the clearance what happens next? Will I be re-rated or what? Thanks.

[mb11g]

Investigations: Yes, get that information if at all possible. An SSBI goes back 10 years, so if it falls in that scope, just go ahead and get it. If they end up not wanting it, then whatever, but it's waaay harder to get it after the fact. So just make it easier on yourself now and get it. As for medical history, no; the SSBI isn't concerned with your medical history outside of things like mental issues that might cause a security concern. IE if you had high blood pressure or something, nobody cares. Things we would care about would be histories of drug abuse, mental issues, suicidal tenancies, that kind of stuff that would make being in this job a no-go. Also of note is that they don't go digging up medical records or anything; this would come into play if someone they were interviewing about you brought it up. Then obviously they would need to follow up. But as a whole they don't go digging for your old doctors visits.

Wedding: During your training at A-school you won't be allowed to miss any training days. If this event falls on a weekend and you can prove that you'll be back on time then they might consider it, but being gone during a work day is going to be a hard no. As it comes up, speak with your chain of command and if there's some wiggle room they might be able to work with you. Staying on the side of caution though, if you're at a training command then just expect to be unavailable for things that don't involve training. It sucks but it's just part of life. If they let you go it'll be an exception and not the norm.

Loans: Debt is the single biggest issue in obtaining a clearance. The vast majority of espionage cases involved debt in money-for-secrets kind of deals. HOWEVER, things like student loans, car loans, etc, are considered normal things and don't raise big red flags if you're staying on top of them. If you've got records for your payments and have a solid payment plan in place then I wouldn't expect any issues from that. Just be mature and responsible with paying them and you'll be just fine. The debt that gets people in trouble is like gambling debt or just a craaaap ton of debt that you reasonably shouldn't have gotten into in the first place. Ya dig?


On mb11g's comment: Being top of your class at Corry Station won't have much if any bearing on your selection of orders. First tour Sailors are typically what we call "needs of the Navy" and are assigned where they are needed. CT's especially because there are so few of us and so many places we're needed, we just don't have the luxury to let the new guys cherry pick what they want. So expect your orders to be assigned to you versus being able to pick. Don't listen to what people in other rates have to say on the subject, as they have nothing to do with what happens in the CT community. (Not knocking you mb11, just speaking in general terms)

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No worries! It was different for us!

[FlyNavy]

No worries! It was different for us!

Sorry if that came off blunt lol Wasn't intended. I got nothing but love for my IS brothers and sisters ;)

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